President Trump

For your information:
Google……In March 2016, Forbes estimated his net worth at $4.5 billion. A year later, shortly after his inauguration, they lowered it by $1 billion, and by the end of his presidential term, they had subtracted yet another $1 billion.

CNN……In 2016, Trump was worth $3.7 billion, according to Forbes. That dropped to $3.1 billion in 2017 and held there for 2018 and 2019. But this year Trump’s net worth dropped to $2.5 billion. That $600 million decline led Trump to drop from the 275th richest person in America in 2019 to the 352nd richest in 2020 – a drop of 77 spots. (It took a net worth of $2.1 billion to make the top 400.)

BBC…. estimates a 26% drop in the value of his main commercial property holdings.

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I believe when the right “name calling” is based on the truth. When the left name calls they are lying. It’s part of the liberal brainwashing propaganda! Calling President Trump a Nazi, racist, rapist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic, criminal, a threat to democracy (just to name a few) are lies!

yeah sure but his estimated net worth today is like 7 Billion due to his media ventures post presidency. Being more popular and unifying are 2 separate things. He won the popular vote mostly because the other option was far worse and we were left little choice. Its not always the best for leaders to make choices based upon popular opinion… Had Churchill had that mind set we may all be speaking german today.

Sorry this made me laugh, name calling is name calling whether it’s the left or the right doing it. Just like brainwashing and propaganda happens on both sides, both sides are equally corrupt and by the way Donald is in it for himself just like any other politician.

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starting more and more look like a circus

a flying circus

That is funny! Thanks for posting!

C’est plus DONALD, C’est DINGO.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

and better to leave this topic alone and too easy to argue with other users when it comes to politics… :wink:

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I posted Lennie’s list of Trump’s so-called accomplishments on another site that doesn’t cater to MAGA cultists. Got an interesting response:

Is it true that Trump accomplished all of these things when he was previously President?

"Well lets have a look at reality

  1. Basically closed the border - this is based on the lowest rate of recorded border crossings being recorded in 2020 - turning the South of our country into a disease infested shithole that Mexicans do not want to come to is not an achievement to be proud of.
  2. Yes - inflation was low as Trump left office - as you would expect from an economy in the toilet that had recently lost millions of jobs. But Trump left in place the timebomb that led to the inflation spike in 2021 and early 2022. M1 and M2 grew by record amounts in 2020, Trump refused to address the coming supply chain issues caused by his mismanagement of COVID, and Trump made a deal with OPEC to reduce global oil output with the stated aim of increasing oil prices
  3. No wars- of course there were wars. He promised to end the one in Afghanistan but broke that promise. He committed an act of war against Iran but obviously they decided not to respond, simply because Trump was ignoring their pursuit of nuclear weapons. Thanks to Trump appeasing and even enabling and strengthening the Taliban, Iran, North Korea, CHina and Russia, while intentionally isolating and angering Hamas, Trump left the world a far more dangerous place than he inherited.
  4. Yes, the trend of falling unemployment under Obama continued for a while under Trump - giving him credit for a trend he inherited that ended on his watch is just silly
  5. Real median family income did indeed increase by 6,000 from 2016 to 2020. It is worth noting that this is less than in Obama’s second term, and if 2024 follows 2023 it will be greater under Biden. That family unit sizes grew due to COVID helped a bit too
  6. No - this is a lie. The actual number is 24 months. Biden did however acheive this - 44 months in fact.
  7. See point four. It is also worth noting every single one of those records was beaten under Biden
  8. See point 7
  9. No - of all the lies about Trump’s supposed booming economy - this is the most sickening. Changing the qualifying criteria to kick millions off a program they need, is not lifting them off.
  10. This is true if you carefully cherry pick dates. It ignores that we actually lost manufacturing jobs over the whole of Trump’s term - and that those losses started in Aug 2019 - long before COVID arrived. It ignores that the growth of jobs in these two sectors was far higher in Obama’s second term and under Biden. When you have to lie and cherry pick to come up with a number that is still way short of the mark - well just think what that is saying.
  11. Yes that happened - but it still shrank overall in 2020 - this is just pure desperation.
  12. Signing an act that blew out the budget deficit and collapsed gross domestic private investment is not an achievement - and lying about the size of it doesn’t change that.
  13. The tariffs did nothing to protect US jobs (jobs growth was lower before them than after), did not prevent our trade deficit from exploding and severely hurt our economy.
  14. Yes - in 2020 due to Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic, US demand for energy fell so dramatically that we were a net exporter. That those net exports grew dramatically, even as our economy recovered and demand for energy increased under Biden seems lost on you

So the key point is, the few claims you make that are actually true - are simply not that impressive."

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“Well lets have a look at the truth”

  1. Basically closed the border - this is based on the lowest rate of recorded border crossings being recorded in 2020 - turning the South of our country into a disease infested shithole that Mexicans do not want to come to is not an achievement to be proud of. ----- I have no idea what you are talking about “disease infested shithole.” Nice try!
  2. Yes - inflation was low as Trump left office - as you would expect from an economy in the toilet that had recently lost millions of jobs. But Trump left in place the timebomb that led to the inflation spike in 2021 and early 2022. M1 and M2 grew by record amounts in 2020, Trump refused to address the coming supply chain issues caused by his mismanagement of COVID, and Trump made a deal with OPEC to reduce global oil output with the stated aim of increasing oil prices. ----- Having gas prices surpass $5.00 a gallon had a lot to do with the 9% inflation the U.S. got to. Nice Try!
  3. No wars- of course there were wars. He promised to end the one in Afghanistan but broke that promise. He committed an act of war against Iran but obviously they decided not to respond, simply because Trump was ignoring their pursuit of nuclear weapons. Thanks to Trump appeasing and even enabling and strengthening the Taliban, Iran, North Korea, CHina and Russia, while intentionally isolating and angering Hamas, Trump left the world a far more dangerous place than he inherited. ----- He did not! How was Biden’s pull-out of Afghanistan?? It was awful! Nice try!
  4. Yes, the trend of falling unemployment under Obama continued for a while under Trump - giving him credit for a trend he inherited that ended on his watch is just silly. Yes, it continued under President Trump. ----- So what? He did not make it worse. Nice Try!
  5. Real median family income did indeed increase by 6,000 from 2016 to 2020. It is worth noting that this is less than in Obama’s second term, and if 2024 follows 2023 it will be greater under Biden. That family unit sizes grew due to COVID helped a bit too. ----- So what amount of increase happened under Obama? Greater under Biden?.. Right! Nice try!
  6. No - this is a lie. The actual number is 24 months. Biden did however acheive this - 44 months in fact. ----- Do you think it had anything to do with people going back to work after the pandemic. Nice try!
  7. See point four. It is also worth noting every single one of those records was beaten under Biden. ----- Did it have anything to do with people going back to work after the pandemic? Nice try!
  8. See point 7. ----- Obama had nothing to do with higher employment for Blacks and Hispanics. Nice try!
  9. No - of all the lies about Trump’s supposed booming economy - this is the most sickening. Changing the qualifying criteria to kick millions off a program they need, is not lifting them off. ----- Did they starve to death? Nice try!
  10. This is true if you carefully cherry pick dates. It ignores that we actually lost manufacturing jobs over the whole of Trump’s term - and that those losses started in Aug 2019 - long before COVID arrived. It ignores that the growth of jobs in these two sectors was far higher in Obama’s second term and under Biden. When you have to lie and cherry pick to come up with a number that is still way short of the mark - well just think what that is saying. ----- I cannot believe you because the information you have used comes from liberal propaganda. Nice try!
  11. Yes that happened - but it still shrank overall in 2020 - this is just pure desperation. ----- I have no idea what you mean! Nice try!
  12. Signing an act that blew out the budget deficit and collapsed gross domestic private investment is not an achievement - and lying about the size of it doesn’t change that. ----- Again, the is your liberal propaganda spinning the truth! Nice try!
  13. The tariffs did nothing to protect US jobs (jobs growth was lower before them than after), did not prevent our trade deficit from exploding and severely hurt our economy. ----- Why did Biden keep tariffs going? Nice Try!
  14. Yes - in 2020 due to Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic, US demand for energy fell so dramatically that we were a net exporter. That those net exports grew dramatically, even as our economy recovered and demand for energy increased under Biden seems lost on you. ----- Why are we buying oil from Venezuela? Why did we use oil from the oil reserve? Nice try!
    Another thing that liberals are great at doing is spinning facts to make it sound like republicans are wrong about everything they talk about. Liberals are great at propaganda, lying about everything, and spinning facts!
    And one other thing………people voted for President Trump because they were far worse off under Biden’s presidency. PERIOD.
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Here’s another 10 issues that DEMOCRATS ARE FOR:
• Supporting two wars while Biden has been in office
• Protesting against Israel and being for Gaza and the Palestinians who are terrorists and baby killers.
• Calling republicans Nazis, bigots, homophobic, against women rights, deplorable, MAGA (as a bad thing),
• Having the news media be negative at least 93% of the time about President Trump
• Having the news media be on the side of all democratic (liberal) policies and have a negative response to all republican policies (brainwashing)
• Agree that Bidenomics is working
• Not realizing a family of four has spent at least $11000 per year more out of pocket costs since Biden has been in office.
• Biden’s actions have made life better in the U.S. and that we are better off now than when President Trump left office. (What has he done to make it better?)
• Democratic leaders (Biden, Camala Harris, Shumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, AOC and the pack) need to continue to lead this country
• It is OK that gas prices are around $3.50 a gallon compared to when President Trump was in office when gas prices were around $2.00 per gallon.

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John Cleese also has explained why it is so difficult to have a civil discussion with certain people: https://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU

While I mostly disagree with Trump’s domestic policies, I respect the choice Americans made, and it’s really none of my business. But I truly hope to see and will appreciate his strong leadership in supporting Israel and Ukraine during our wars

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that is to be hoped yes! I also hope that the one who has more than a million deaths on his conscience (both Ukrainian and Russian) does not escape his deserved punishment

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Today news:

US withdraws support for Ukraine in war with Russia

That aged badly…

If news don’t have a link, news don’t exist :woman_shrugging:

US has not stopped military aid to Ukraine, Zelenskyy says

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-us-aid-7a2d78db94565e6808e6d0699f6fa38d

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US aid to Ukraine to be stopped
Washington/Kiev, 25/01/2025 15.19 | Updated 9 hours ago

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On Friday, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio ordered a 90-day halt in grant spending for most foreign partners, with the only exceptions being Israel and Egypt. The decision surprised many State Department officials and means that the US is likely to halt military aid to Ukraine, Politico and Reuters report. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenski has denied freezing the military part of the aid.

It’s all over the news, so it depends which one you are reading :smile:

Well I certainly hope it’s the one I’ve posted

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You mean Biden?

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