But isn’t that what happened on 01 oct at M&H, just that Mira was blowing Kostja at the same time in parts?
out for tonight, have fun
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Mira’s blowing Kostja on October 1st was the equivalent of a consolation prize.
The problem is not really Mira or even Henry. Henry is now with Indira the same as he was with all his temporary fuck dolls such as Marica and many many others. Personally, I find it hard to watch, having observed how since February K & I were trying very hard to prevent Indira from becoming one of the fuck dolls.
The problem is an over-achieving Indira and an underperforming Kostja. Indira is loved by all the guy who crave a ‘girl-friend experience’ - Shana, Elisha will blow amazingly. But it will not be that feeling of love you get from an intimate encounter. Indira looks like she is totally in love with whomever she is with at the moment. As an observer, at times that aspect of Indira feels disturbing. Indira has an amazing face, an amazing smile and amazing eyes. The rest of her body is OK but it is not the main attraction. It is her face and her girl-friend personality that all the guys crave.
Kostja is a cute looking guy but unlike Indira who is like a fish in the ocean in the VHTV environment,
Kostja consistently behaves like a fish out of water in the same environment. He no longer appears like he will smoke himself to death on the logia while his girl-friend is being fucked senseless. Now he is sitting quietly in the car’s back seat and let’s Indira set the direction with Henry’s approval. He no longer is in charge except the one moment on October 1st when he nodded to Indira to direct her toward Henry.
Indira delivers more than any of these women to any man she is with while Kostja appears unable to connect with any of the women at those parties, except occasionally, in the most bizarre ways he will sneak in a bj or a stolen kiss behind closed doors and in a bathroom. He will never do it it openly in front of Indira and all to see.
Kostja is a smart guy and tries to adjust himself to Indira’s world But he is more of a romantic than Indira is and adjusting to her world is a struggle.
Now I will advance something for which I have absolutely no proof, just my speculation based on very little: I suspect that Kosttja is not an ethnic Russian. Very likely he is from one of the Moslem areas of Russia. About 10% of Russia’s population are Moslem. There may be cultural reasons why he finds it difficult to function within this swinging environment.
The next time it’s just Kostja and Indira and one couple they know alone, in a non party environment, maybe we’ll get to understand their thinking
To understand their thinking, ideally they need to be back at VHTV in a private setting where they are able to talk among themselves, and we are able to hear what is on their mind.
We already had a foursome last week and that did not go that well, unless you are Henry and you conclude that it could not have gone any better. Realistically, I no longer believe that Kostja is capable to behaving in a foursome like a Mikl or Koen would behave. There has not been one situation during all these encounter where K & I engaged with other people, be it foursome or even the orgies where Kostja could not have acted a lot better. Kostja apparently needs a remedial class to teach him how to behave during a foursome.
As to Indira, she did not behave properly in several of these situations. She may also be in need of remedial classes where it is reinf___ed that if you are in a love relationship, your significant other needs
to be taken care of first and that you do not go fucking whoever shows up, abandoning your significant other to a situation where he/she will find themselves without some partner. That is the ABC of swinging. The Golden Rule applies here too.
That is my opinion.
So you think that Indira will be back
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I partially I agree, partially I don’t.
Indira did behave different in the different occasions of a foursome or gangbang.
If we take the first occasion 7 jan 22, when after the morning of the first Indira-Kostja-sex-night,
in the evening Indira fucked Henry and Mikl at S&T.
Indira showed her capacity of focusing on the moment, and acted like after a script-book.
When Mikl took her over from Henry, she came from Elisha kissing-focus to Mikl kissing-and-dick-focus,
and it seemed, that she already had forgotten about Henry’s dick in her cunt, and when he pulled out
and left, she had no reaction, and kept going on with Mikl, business as usual.
That displays, that she can be alone in a room full of people and focus on a task whatever happens
around her. She got fingered by Henry and still kept stroking his dick.
She followed Mikl in the changed positions and kept blowing and stroking his dick regardless if Shana rolls over with Felix, or Elisha has a close-up conversation with Mikl.
One would have thought, if Elisha approaches Mikl and talks to him, that she would have stopped and waited until she has Mikls full attention.
If she starts anything, she is dedicated to it.
Later she blew Felix and got that double-facial.
And I know, Indira and Kostja hadn’t been stabil related by then, but it shows Indira’s capability to handle
sex with others, opposite to Kostja.
Next is the big party at M&H 08/09 jan 2022
On jan 08 Indira and Kostja were at the big party with the sofa-butt-parade where all the males could take a
photo in front of the ladies naked butts, and henry was putting salt on the cheeks and drank Tequila after
licking it off.
Later Tejo was in Indira’s panties until Jirina took them off, ate Indira out, and wanted to lead her out off the livingroom, supposedly to the bedroom, considering her prepared for Tejo, but Indira refused, nonetheless stayed with Tejo in the chair.
So to my opinion she set a blockmark there, and at least Kostja later considered them (I&K) closer than
just to know eachother, by animating her to put on a panty in the kitchen after fucking him in the bedroom, which she refused and animated Karel instead to fuck her, as it seems.
Karel tried to fuck Indira later that night, but Indira made her choice and it was Kostja.
In the kitchen, she behaved towards Kostja like them being a couple, but never lost her focus on
“…the more you fuck, the more money you make…”
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Indira pretended to Kostja to be his love, and behind his back animated Karel to fuck her, if I judge her signplay correct. She was focused on the job.
After that there were two bigger parties where Indira gave Mikl a stroke that barely can be called a handjob while Shana was blowing him and dedicated kisses, and an almost entire topless party, where Tejo was the beneficiary of the kissing-orgy, with Kostja right there, doing nothing.
Then came jan 23rd at M&H.
that was the super catastrophe for Kostja, being _____, in the room, when Mikl and Tejo in presence of Jirina were making plans about Indira, which they performed later.
I don’t recall the conversation of Kostja and Indira, and the circumstances under which Kostja left the room, I just remember a handshake to Mikle like " you won it, enjoy it ", and it looked like a bye bye.
I disagree. On 7 jan 22 Indira and Kostja had by that now become boy-friend/girl-friend. He was there in that apartment and was excluded from participation in the orgy. In a swinging and orgy world there is nothing wrong with having all the fucking partners you feel like having. Indira was perfect in that environment. The problem was the exclusion of Kostja and Indira tolerating the exclusion. She was in enough demand that she could have insisted that Kostja be a participant. Kostja was going crazy as a resultWhile she was fucking beautifully Henry or Mikl, Kostja needed to be right there fucking some other chick.
“Indira pretended to Kostja to be his love, and behind his back animated Karel to fuck her, if I judge her signplay correct. She was focused on the job”
Indira was not pretending. She was in love with Kostja. She was doing nothing behind Kostja’s back. Indira understood her swinging environment and if Karel wanted to fuck her she was not against it.
Later during the gang-bang at H & M, Kostja was s___ping or _____ on the bed while Indira was wrapped around Tejo. Jirina tried to remove a s___ping Kostja. She asked Indira to remove Kostja. Tejo repeated Jirina’s question about removing Kostja - in a very cynical way - Indira could have spoken up and said to keep him in the room, make arrangements for Kostja to wake up and become a participant. Indira just smiled. Jirina kpe tugging at Kostja enough that he got up and left the room. This should have never happened. They all knew by that time that K & I were in a relationship. T & J should have never even tried to throw out Kostja and Indira had it in her power to stop them. She did not.
Later there was a scene with Kostja in the kitchen where Henry spoke to Kostja and Indira came in saying to Kostija that ‘you knew what will happen and you agreed ahead of time’
Why are you guys still dissecting this young girls life, for fucks sake she is (was) only 18. This has all been gone over in the past at nauseum, by you all giving your biased thoughts about what she / he should have done in such and such and event. None of you know the circumstances, it just seems you want self gratification of your opinions.
I for one hope that they never come back to VHTV, because the way you all treat them on this forum is s__t. They are only young kids and should not have to endure this persistent dissection of their lives.
Yes I was surprised / disappointed by the actions of 1st Oct. After all the tears, arguments, discussions and self harm that went on for 6 months, I had hoped that they could rebuild their lives outside of this zoo. Hopefully it may still be the case. If it is not, then please give them some slack as none of you know what their circumstances are.
I also think that the party on Friday was also partially about Indira’s birthday. Kostja made a short speech. does anyone know what he was saying?
Kostja gave a typical Russian speech given at birthday parties on other occasions. He said that she, is his “most beautiful and most everything”
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I think most of the forum users thought the same way, but now that they came back not just visiting and covering up, they must have discussed it, and they must be aware, that people see them in the cameras and talk about it.
This forum was made to discuss the I&K issues, to free the other realms.
So if you don’t like to read it, go to M&H and watch Wendy fucking Koen with her period or something else. If whoever and especially I&K consider to need a space of privacy, they should have stayed away.
And you’re right, we don’t know their situation, I claimed that more than once, thus we take what we see and try to draw conclusions, unless Indira tells us what is really going on.
TMO that’s what a forum is for.
That part I was not aware off, just in the kitchen, when Kostja was busy with the food, and Indira
sinalling to Karel, it seemed sneaky to me.
Merlin79, you are right. we do not know what their circumstances are.
October 1st was a disappointment in multiple ways. It is disappointing that they are back.
It is disappointing that once back Indira appears to have become Henry’s fuck toy.
It is disappointing that once again Kostja is left.
Things are complicated these days in Russia, including economically.
My point is that consistently Indira enters into orgies and swinging situations where Kostja is left out. This is partially Kostja’s fault and even more so it is Indira’s fault. I also wish them a life outside VHTV. But if they need to be part of it, Indira has to make sure that he is a full participant. If Kostja does not become a full participant, he will not be able to stomach for ever to see his girlfriend being a fuck doll. I know that. That means that either he adjusts with Indira’s help to be a full participant of their relationship may not last.
In the M&M gangbang a day later, I was under the impression, that first, when Indira was riding
Kostja on the socalled sperm-soaked brown couch, Mikl saw that Kostja was weakening, touched Indira’s butt-crack, gave up Marica and waited for his turn on Indira.
When Indira laid between Kostja and Mikl, I was under the impression, that she was seeking confirmation of Kostja, to blow Mikl, and when she couldn’t get his attention she just went ahead trying to keep physical contact to Kostja and stroke his dick, while he fondled her pussy.
Turning around, she blew Kostja when Mikl started fucking her.
I think Kostja agreed to all that, wonder if he wanted to be ridden by Jirina, but after Mikl fucked Indira forever and a day, I think that exceeded his consent, and he was suffering.
Indira seeking shelter at Tejo on the couch after Mikl had finished, thrown a pack of tissues to her to clean herself, was probably born in the moment, but I would have preferred to see her go back to Kostja, and demonstrate their link.
How about a different pattern than Indira and Kostja returning to VHTV.
If they are desperate to get the money, Indira could become a Maren or Felix-type.
More Felix though, because she could bring Kostja every once in a while.
This way Kostja wouldn’t literally see what’s happening, and him not beeing able to perform equivalently wouldn’t put him in his dispair, and they would benefit of the money Indira makes.
I don’t want to name her profession in that case, but we all know what VHTV is focused on.
It’s not the family-program that some people wanted to believe in the beginning of the I&K era.
That is a plan that probably will not work, if one is to believe what they were saying to each other in February/March time frame. The key for them was for the other to be there when they are having sex with someone else. The one thing that always stuck in my mind was when Indira was telling Kostja how painful it was to her to see him with another woman and Kostja replying that it is even more painful to him to see her with another guy. Following these conversations was the time when they stopped being full participants in the parties. The exception came when Indira came back from the street saying to Kostja in an upset voice that ‘they’ want to see fucking for at least 20 minutes. Some times after that they had the Shana/Mikl foursome.
True Mitchel,
it would replace one pain with another.
But I think we were at the point, where we concluded that there has been a change between the
time, they left the project, and oct 1st.
I still recall the last “visits” at MWK, where Indira was covering up, and only Kostja occasionally lifted the veils to reveil some breast or so.
Until the evening at oct 1st Indira kept doing it, even when she put on Henry’s black suit in the bathroom, she checked the camera and stepped back, to make sure, that we couldn’t see anything but her butt in a violet string.
Then alloversudden, short blowjob alone on loggia, longer blowjob observed by M&H, congretulations by Henry, and full program in the livingroom, no limits.
There was a drastic change, wonder if prior to that day, or in this evening.
Kostja left Indira alone with Henry several times, and they fucked like crazy. So Kostja was not in the room, although that was their committment according to their agreement.
I was thinking that as the only half way decent reason for Indira always getting Kostja back into the livingroom at TJIK, when Victoria was there for the first time. (I am waiting for Indira to show up in the “fuck”-T-shirt to know that there were further meeting(s) with Victoria in the meantime).
Kostja figuring, he has nothing to win that evening, and even humb__d to access Indira by Victoria, made him withdraw out of the situation, and Indira could have easily lived her passion with Victoria, which she did anyways, even when Kostja was there. Yes she pointed out to Victoria, that she’ll stick to Kostja, but not very strong, and kept being busy with her rather than Kostja.
Calling Kostja back three times must have caused big pressure on him, different from Jana, who let Kostja participate in almost everything they did. (yes, she pushed him away on the couch, but she performed a triple and sucked his dick as well)
So given, Kostja wants to retrieve from a situation that causes him harm, it could be less painful for
him to sit at home and wait for his “private show”, unless the doubt of what happened nags inside of him.
With a subscription he can watch it, but doesn’t have to be in the situation, and can just turn it off
anytime he likes.