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he has to attend in the classroom an friday, after that he will get an examination, if that all turns out good then he is allowed to drive the Porsche.. If he sets a good result on saterday it might be that he will drive the class A car (Ferrari 496 GT3) on sunday
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He also has to make sure that he eats up and no more leftovers on his plate 
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because the master bully has bullied our friend @Shyguy away I will be taking over the posting of this week’s Lollipopman
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Here’s the story I told you about.
‘Robbed’ – McLaren hit with Ferrari 2002 warning after Monza team orders
I got the most of it right, just Schumacher’s team mate at the time.
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This is interesting, which will win, Money or Safety.
F1 chief gives update on Qatar Grand Prix plans after Israel attack in Doha
this is more interesting.. tomorrow Nordschleife
Max Verstappen aka Franz Hermann
17 hours from now live
Well.. better late than never..
10 places grind penalty for the FIA
2025 DUTCH GRAND PRIX
29 - 31 August 2025
The Stewards
From The Stewards
To The Team Manager, Atlassian Williams Racing
Document 64
Date 13 September 2025
Time 14:15
Title Decision - Williams Petition for Right of Review
Description Decision - Williams Petition for Right of Review
Enclosed 2025 Dutch Grand Prix - Decision - Williams Petition for Right of Review .pdf
Nish Shetty Matthew Selley
Pedro Lamy Natalie Corsmit
2025 D UTCH GRAND PRIX
29 – 31 August 2025
From The Stewards Document 64
To The Team Manager Date 13 September 2025
Atlassian Williams Racing Time 14:15
Petition for the Right of Review
Introduction
- On September 4, 2025, the Stewards received a petition from Atlassian Williams Racing
(“Williams”) requesting a Right of Review in accordance with Article 14 of the FIA International
Sporting Code (“the Code”). - Williams’ request related to the decision of the Stewards contained in document number 45 issued
at the 2025 Dutch Grand Prix and issued during the race at that event that the Driver of Car 55,
Carlos Sainz, caused a collision with Car 30, Liam Lawson, and in so doing contravened Appendix
L, Chapter IV, Article 2d) of the Code. The Stewards imposed a 10 second time penalty on Car 55
(which was served during the race) and 2 penalty points on the Driver of Car 55 (“Decision”). - A hearing was convened on 12 September 2025 at 15:30hrs CEST by video conference to
determine the admissibility of the Petition and Williams was summoned accordingly (document 62). - A summons was also issued to the Team Manager of Visa Cash App Racing Bulls F1 Team
(“VCARB”) and the Driver of Car 30, Liam Lawson, to attend a subsequent hearing if the Stewards
determined after an initial hearing that the criteria in Article 14.1.1 of the Code was satisfied
(document 63). However, VCARB requested that they be afforded an opportunity to attend the
initial hearing and make submissions. That request was granted. In granting the request, the
Stewards were cognizant of the fact that similar requests had been granted in the past to those
involved in the incident.
Attendees - The Stewards of the 2025 Dutch Grand Prix conducted the hearing. None of the parties raised
any objection to the composition of the panel. - Attending the hearing on behalf of Williams were:
- Sven Smeets, Sporting Director;
- Dave Redding, Team Manager; and
- Carlos Sainz, Driver of Car 55.
- Attending the hearing on behalf of VCARB were:
- Marco Perrone, Team Manager; and
- Liam Lawson, Driver of Car 30.
-
Attending the hearing on behalf of the FIA was the FIA F1 Sporting Director, Tim Malyon.
Purpose of hearing -
This initial hearing was to determine, at the sole discretion of the Stewards (as specified in Article
14.3 of the Code), if “a significant and relevant new element is discovered which was unavailable
to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned”. -
Therefore, the Stewards were required to determine if any evidence presented to them was:
a. “significant”;
b. “relevant”;
c. “new”; and
d. “unavailable to the party seeking the review at the time of the original decision” (“Review
Criteria”). -
Only if the Review Criteria is met, would the Stewards be required to convene a further hearing to
reconsider the Decision. -
Article 14.1.1 sets a high bar for reviewing a decision of the Stewards. This has been the consistent
position taken in previous requests to exercise the right of review.
Submissions -
Williams asserted that the following 3 elements, said to be significant and relevant new elements,
were unavailable to it at the time of the Decision:
a. footage from the 360° camera on Car 55;
b. footage from the rear facing camera on Car 30;
c. testimony from the Driver of Car 55,
(collectively “the alleged new elements”). -
Williams submitted that the footage from the 360° camera on Car 55 and the footage from the rear
facing camera on Car 30 were not available to the team during the race because it was not
transmitted during the race and only recorded on a card in each camera which could only be
downloaded after the race and made available by Formula One thereafter. This was confirmed by
the FIA F1 Sporting Director and acknowledged by VCARB. -
Williams also submitted that the team could not obtain the Driver of Car 55’s account of the incident
which led to the Decision until after the race. -
As the Decision explained, in arriving at the Decision the Stewards reviewed “video, timing,
telemetry, team radio and in-car video evidence”. That evidence did not include the footage from
the 360° camera on Car 55 or the footage from the rear facing camera on Car 30. Nor did it include
the Driver of Car 55’s account of the incident. -
The Stewards acknowledge that none of the new elements were “available” to Williams, the party
seeking the review, when the Decision was issued. It follows that each of the new elements are
“new”. -
The new elements are all evidence relating to the incident between Cars 55 and 30 which resulted
in the Decision. The footage from the 360° camera on Car 55 and rear facing camera on Car 30
show the relative positions of both cars leading up to and including the collision. They are therefore
“relevant”. The account of the Driver of Car 55 of the incident was also relevant. -
However, are these new elements “significant”? Williams submitted that they were for the following
reasons:
(a) both the footage from the 360° camera on Car 55 and the footage from the rear facing camera
on Car 30 are further evidence of the relative positions and proximity of the cars before, during
and after the collision; and
(b) the footage from the rear camera on Car 30 shows the rear wheels of Car 30 (which cannot be
seen in the footage from the forward facing camera from Car 30) moving to the left towards Car
55 after the apex of turn 1 and the rear left tyre of Car 30 collide with the front right tyre of Car -
This footage, Williams submitted, showed that what they described as a ‘slight snap’ – a
momentary loss of control by the Driver of Car 30 which required corrective steering input -
resulted in Car 30 colliding with Car 55, not the other way around;
(c) the testimony of the Driver of Car 55 explained what can be seen in the footage from the rear
facing camera on Car 30 and in other video evidence which was available when the Decision
was made. -
VCARB did not make any submissions regarding the Review Criteria. The Team Manager adverted
to the application of the F1 Driving Standards Guidelines to the incident but acknowledged that the
submissions he wished to make in that regard would only be relevant if the Stewards were satisfied
that the Review Criteria are met. -
The Stewards agree that the footage from the rear facing camera on Car 30 and the 360° camera
are significant. As that evidence is also new, relevant and unavailable to Williams at the time of the
Decision the threshold is met. -
As for the third element, namely the testimony of the Driver, the Stewards express reservations as
to whether the testimony of the Driver in this case is significant. First, the testimony of a driver
involved in an incident, while potentially relevant, will never be available to the Competitor
concerned or to the Stewards if the Stewards, in their discretion, determine that they are able to
arrive at a decision on that incident during a session. The Stewards have the power and authority
to issue a decision in session without hearing from a driver. Secondly, the testimony of the Driver
of Car 55 in relation to this incident, while relevant and of some assistance to the Stewards, does
not materially add to an evaluation of the incident by reference to all of the video evidence, including
the new video evidence. -
Having found that the footage from the rear facing camera and the 360° camera on Car 30 satisfies
all of the Review Criteria, the Stewards decided to re-examine the Decision.
Second Hearing -
After adjourning briefly, the Stewards commenced a second hearing to re-examine the Decision.
The same representatives for Williams, VCARB and the FIA were in attendance and the Stewards
granted permission for representatives of the McLaren Formula 1 Team and Aston Martin Aramco
Formula 1 Team to observe.
Submissions -
Williams referred to the available video evidence which appeared to show Car 55 attempting to
overtake Car 30 on the outside of the long radius turn 1 and the collision between the two cars
occurring between the apex and the exit. Williams submitted that while the front axle of Car 55 was
not ahead of the front axle of Car 30 at the apex, such that Car 55 did not have the right to the
corner applying the F1 Driving Standards Guidelines, Car 55 was entitled to attempt to race
alongside Car 30 through turn 1. They submitted that Car 55 left space for Car 30 on the inside
and the collision only occurred because the driver of Car 30 had a momentary loss of control. They
described the collision as a racing incident. They were at pains to make clear that they were not
suggesting that the Driver of Car 30 should be penalised, only that the penalty to Car 55 was
unjustified. -
The Driver of Car 55 acknowledged that he was not strictly entitled to space on the outside of turn
1 and that the Car 30 could have used the whole of the track at the exit forcing Car 55 to yield or
take evasive action and go off track. He acknowledged that if he had left the edge of the track at
the exit and rejoined ahead of Car 30, he might need to give the position back. However, he said
he was ready to deal with these potential eventualities. What he wasn’t prepared for was Car 30
having a moment mid corner and colliding with his car. -
VCARB pointed to the Driving Standards Guidelines and submitted that Car 55 had no right to
space on the outside but that Car 30 had nonetheless left significant space for Car 55. They
submitted that the collision only occurred because Car 55 chose to drive too close to Car 30. The
Driver of Car 30 denied that he was not in control of his car and said that a slight snap of the type
which occurred is not unusual when cars are racing closely side by side, in this case both on fresh
tyres after a safety car restart.
Decision -
Having considered the matter extensively and having reviewed the new video evidence and heard
from the drivers of both cars and their team representatives, the Stewards determine to rescind the
Decision. The Stewards agree with Williams’ characterisation of the collision as a racing incident. -
The Stewards are satisfied that the collision was caused by a momentary loss of control by Car 30.
However, in the Stewards’ assessment, no driver was wholly or predominantly to blame for that
collision. Car 55 contributed to the incident by taking the risk to drive close to, and on the outside
of, Car 30 when Car 55 had no right to room there and there was a real possibility that, if the
collision had not occurred where it did, Car 55 would run out of track at the exit and/or a collision
would have occurred at the exit for which the Driver of Car 55 would likely be predominantly if not
wholly to blame. -
The time penalty imposed by the Decision was served by Car 55 during the race. The Stewards
have no power to remedy that served time penalty by amending the Classifications but note that
the gap between Car 55 to the car ahead in the Final Classification of the race (coincidently Car -
was 17 seconds. The Decision having been rescinded, it follows that the 2 penalty points
imposed on the Driver of Car 55 are to be removed.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in
accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial
and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.
Decisions of the Stewards are taken independently of the FIA and are based solely on the relevant
regulations, guidelines and evidence presented.
Nish Shetty Matthew Selley
Pedro Lamy Natalie Corsmit
The Stewards
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have a re-read of the rule book regarding deciding what is deliberate and what is a racing incident.
maybe the FIA needs to pay for steady stewards, who will attend every raceweekend
so that the decisions are consistent and not one time this and the next time that
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Would actually be a very good idea. That will lead to the same outcomes for the same offences. Hopefully. 
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The other thing we need is a competent race director, we lost the one Race director that everyone respected and that was Charlie Whiting.
If he’d been in charge at the time of the Max v Lewis chaos in 2021, I reckon the outcome would’ve been a hell of a lot easier to understand than it did
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Charlie Whiting was like the Michael Jordan or Ronnie O`Sullivan when it comes to conducting his job as a Race Director. 
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Charlie Whiting was the best race director F1 has ever had. After his sudden death, Michael Masi was thrown in at the deep end, even though he wasn’t actually ready for the job.
If they had had professional stewards back then, it wouldn’t have even mattered for the final race.
Then Lewis would have been black-flagged for his assassination attempt at Silverstone, and Max would have been champion before the final race.
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I see that there will be a sprint race at Silverstone & Singapore, we need to get shot of those asap. They degrade the sport, if the Americans want that sort of race which Indy car.
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Max hates it, yes, but he has achieved the most sprint victories and points.
Whichever way you look at it, it does make Fridays and Saturdays more interesting.
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I call this queue jumping, instead of following the tried and tested route.
Lando Norris calls for F1 rule change after controversial FIA decision
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