Draca

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Sie ist schwanger und raucht . Wie unverantwortlich ist dass ? Das arme Baby :pensive_face:

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Before you get upset, you should inform yourself:

In some cultures, the advice isn’t to quit smoking and drin.king completely, but simply not to overdo it… supposedly, abruptly ending such a vice would cause more harm than reducing the amount…
Which is right or wrong… I’m not a doctor and I wouldn’t venture a guess…

Just because different recommendations apply ā€œhereā€ now doesn’t mean you should forget that things weren’t any different here until some years ago.
And anyone can give the blanket recommendation ā€œstop smokingā€ā€¦ but someone who’s addicted often CAN’T just quit from one day to the next.

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Ich verstehe was du meinst . Ich gebe dir auch recht . Aber glaub mir ich rede aus Erfahrung . Dass Baby saugt alles mit . Ob Stress ,Emotionen , Gefühle usw

Of course. And of course there’s a higher risk. But you also mustn’t forget that smoking has been almost ā€˜the norm’ in our culture for a long time. And not every child of smokers is harmed…

…just as not every child of non-smokers is healthy…

In the end, everyone has to decide for themselves. And the child has to live with what they inherit from their parents, one way or another… some inherit an addiction, others an uncanny talent…

That’s why I always prefer to pay attention to the/my choice of words. Appropriate criticism: OK. Condemnation without knowing all the facts: not OK.

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Times have changed, and in some counties when it comes to smoking not to much. I’m of an older generation where most of us smoked tabaco here in Canada. The younger generations tend not to smoke here. Hell, I remember Doctors smoking in their clinics! I smoked for many years and haven’t for a good 40 years now. And one can’t just tell someone to STOP regardless of why, it simply doesn’t work that way as most of us know. Would we like to see Draca quit smoking? Absolutely, but, she is a grown woman, I’m sure she is well aware that smoking isn’t healthy and she doesn’t need us to keep reminding her. I’m also sure people she knows there and her Doctor have told her. I have told friend’s they should quit, but, I don’t keep on them about it. And needless to say in my previous profession I’ve brought up the topic countless times.

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Ik herinner mij een oud deelneemster van het project VHTV , die ook rookte tijdens haar zwangerschap en ondertussen heeft ze al twee gezonde baby’s op de wereld gezet .

She literally took selfies with a cigarette dangling from her lips. I can’t fault anyone who is uncomfortable witnessing a pregnant woman not just chainsmoke, but celebrate doing so. Common sense tells us the baby’s health is of little concern to her based on that behavior :man_shrugging:

Danke kommt mir auch so rüber .

Nevertheless, it is entirely Draca’s own business.
It’s simply none of our business. She’s a grown woman and can make her own decisions.

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Thank you, Captain Obvious of the White Knight Minion Brigade, swooping in to say what has been said by so many others so many times before. Now another member of the WKMB can swoop in and tell us not to watch if we don’t like it, that old recycled chestnut. Although I’d argue the choices she makes are at least a little bit the baby’s business too, no? I’m sure the baby would prefer not to be born with acute asthma if he or she had a choice in the matter…

If what I wrote has already been shared by others, you have obviously read it several times, but you still don’t follow it.

And that’s why you’ll keep being told this as long as you interfere in the private matters of the participants.

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It’s not ā€œprivateā€ when she’s hotboxing her tiny apartment whilst rubbing her baby bump in full view of cameras. Unlike you, empathetic people are going to judge pregnant women who make the choice to drink and chainsmoke because they see the health of another life being threatened. It’s fine that you don’t have those emotional capabilities, or you let your horniness override them, but it’s entirely laughable that you think I’m ever going to follow what you or anyone in your sad little club tell me to do :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

So what do you expect to achieve here? :thinking:

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I see that every time someone is driving while someone else is trying to cross the street… but I still don’t attack anyone who does that… :upside_down_face:

draca sickly teint

She has a very unhealthy complexion from all that smoking…

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That’s a fair question. I didn’t expect to go into such detail, but I suppose I’m trying to validate the feelings of others who are uncomfortable with a participant making problematic choices that likely damage the health of their unborn child. Whether or not we watch her realm, knowing it’s happening is upsetting for those of us who don’t want children in utero to pay for the selfish choices of the mother. Ideally, I’d like to see VHTV put her on hiatus if she can’t refrain from chainsmoking while pregnant, but I realize that is wishful thinking and I assume there is no rule against it as it isn’t currently an illegal behavior. She follows the forum, and if we all had all encouraged her to not smoke inside and step outdoors if she really needed a smoke, that would have given her baby a better shot than it has now. That said, it’s not too late. I don’t expect she can quit cold turkey, but if she cut back significantly that might make a difference.

:slight_smile: oh yea …

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But, it’s her call and not for others to keep on bring it up. :slightly_smiling_face:

Edited to add:
Posting that picture might have been her way of telling people that bring it up to ā€œfuck offā€ :man_shrugging:

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