Time to call it a night. It has been an interesting topic Cheers
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put vaseline on your fingers stops friction burns , 
nite pal 
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young pup cant keep up with the pace .
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On a side note, i just remembered the time when i was on the competitor site and watching only for 2 girls. Some people might know them : the twin models Mia and Lia. Never had sex on cams, but damn, what joy for the eyes they were 
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Also, what I understand is that each time a new apartment is opened, there are big chances that the revenue of the other apartments may go down because:
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The new apartment will initially get more viewers due to curiosity and freshness.
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A new apartment doesnât necessarily mean new subscribers. So, basically, the same profit is split among more people, and the new people will get a bigger share because of curiosity. If the same group of friends opened 5 apartments instead of 1 (with a few regular participants and guests), they would get a bigger share.
With all the new apartments recently (in my opinion, mostly unnecessary), itâs no wonder that people like Ledian suddenly have less income, had to go to the hospital due to stress, and are searching for a new job.
Initially yes. New apartments usually do some efforts as we all know the first impression counts. But even after some days it will show if they will be popular or not. So at that time it can also be a burden to be a new place. Most people have their favorite places and they wonât change their viewing habits so easily.
Correct. There is no automatism behind that.
Initially yes but as I said above being a new place can also backfire after some days when you fail to build a fanbase.
Not really. If you split the earnings of one place into 5 and there are not more viewers the outcome will be the same. It can even be bad as people canât watch so many places at once so depending on the action there the one place could be the better option sometimes.
Well I do not know which apartments you preferâŚ
The reason could also be the bad camera setup, cameras falling from the walls, fixing takes a long time and the overall apartment is not very nice.
The action confined only to him and Salma in the bedroom does not help either.
We do not know what caused that stress. Did not see him doing much in the apartment so far what could cause any stressâŚ
That is good. I hope he will be succesful and find one. But again I do not see his (potential lack of income from the site) connected to the site. Every place can be succesful. Some choose to do the efforts and earn good and others donâtâŚ
Itâs like real life: If you do some efforts you will (usually) earn more money than if you do only the minimumâŚ
You wrote all of that without addressing the main point of this thread. Essentially, you were just replying to reply without adding any meaningful content to the conversation, which is a common pattern for you.
Could you please address the main point, which is how splitting a memberâs subscription money based on minutes watched makes sense when that member purchases their subscription with a single payment? Can you consider the scenario I presented earlier and suggest a solution for situations like that?
Opinion to the whole discussion:
Itâs a business. If the new site will be succesful with that new payment model and VHTV might even lose subscribers to them they will adapt to it. If they see that is not the case they wonât.
Simple as that 
About splitting the site because of apartment types?
Why? Only costs more money and more effort to run two (or more) sites at same time. Effect of cannibalization is too high as well.
They would have long done that if they see they see it is necessary. Two or three people in forum suggesting it wonât change a thing.
So in that case I think VHTV does the right thing: Never change a working business if not necessary.
Can you tell me how do you prevent this kind of situation with the present model:
Member 1 browses the site and decides to subscribe because heâs interested in watching apartment AAA. He pays for the entire subscription on Day 1 of the month.
Throughout the month, he watches apartment AAA for a total of 60 minutes on two occasions. He is satisfied with that, and thinks itâs worth subscribing for another month. So, he decides to subscribe for another month.
During the same month, while browsing the site multiple times, he watches apartment FFF for a total of 180 minutes, but heâs not satisfied with the content, as itâs a large group of people teasing without leading to anything.
From what I understand, in this scenario, apartment FFF receives three times more money than apartment AAA from Member 1, even though Member 1 only subscribed and renewed for AAA.
In Month 2, midway through the month, the participants in apartment AAA decide to leave due to low revenue. Apartment AAA is replaced by apartment BBB, which is very similar to FFF in terms of content, as it attracts more viewers. However, Member 1 is not satisfied and decides to leave the site entirely.
I hope this illustrates the clear problem with this system. It explains why many cams engage in those pre-planned group teasings that ultimately lead to nothing. Itâs not rocket science, apartments get more viewers when there are a lot of people, but that doesnât mean they attract new subscribers or retain the existing ones.
As hard as it sounds if that was a problem for many subscribers VHTV would have already changed it. If they lose a very small number of subscribers it might still be the better option than to make the costly efforts changing the whole business model of the website.
RLC and VHTV viewers in 2022:
2024:
If this is your definition of working business and growth, then I think not trying to continue in here
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This is just the business model of the website. I repeat again if the majority of subscribers had any problems with it they would have changed it a long time ago.
The member you describe has two options:
- Accept the situation and continue paying
- Do not pay anymore and become a free viewer.
FEB 2022 VHTV: 14.1 M viewers
FEB 2022 RLC: 14.8 M
OCT 2024: VHTV 7.2 M
OCT 2024 RLC: 15.6M
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You first data is from January 2022?
I see normal fluctuation with RLC basically always being on top all the time. Not much changes at all.
Why you include Chaturbate? Whole different siteâŚ
The purpose of a forum is to discuss, debate, and share ideas. Simply stating that something is the way it is without engaging in the discussion and addressing the points raised undermines the entire purpose of a forum.
You dodge the questions raised, donât make any arguments.
Normal fluctuation? Vhtv went from 14M to 7M and RLC from 14M to 15M between 2022 and 2024âŚ
I think they changed servers inbetween which can have an impact on how similarweb works.
You always need to take the statistics there with a grain of salt.
you can check SEMrush if you want
I do not dodge anything. All I say is that if there was a problem for VHTV in their business model they would have changed it a long time ago.
As this is not the case the big majority of subscribers seems to be satisfied. So why invest a lot of money for changes only a small number of viewers demand?
We can discuss here for sure as that is what the forum is for.
If VHTV sees their revenue drops in the future I am sure they will adapt.