Hey buddy, Thanks for your help to make us understand at least part of what is happening.
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I donât think knowing the truth is that simple. How many of us suspect that a lot of what is presented to us is either some kind of alternative reality or a grand theater played on big and small stages. and I think that it would be naive not to expect the actors to sometimes tell us things they would want us to believe, or things that would be subject of interpretation.
Guessing, fantasizing, stipulating, assuming, playing amateur detective, etc. and having fun with all that, is part of this visual and imagination challenging experience and I donât think it could be avoided even by those who would seek the truth and nothing but the truth from the participants. But if someone wants to try it, go for it.
Have you tried talking to any of the participants directly? I have and they have been very helpful with filling in the blanks and even sharing things many of us had missed. Remember yesterday when you were convinced that @Shana didnât want Tejo to fuck her? You could have just asked her and it would have saved you from spreading the false narrative that you were convinced was the truth.
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Word of caution: it is only a very small part of what I was able to make out. A lot of the sound is muffled. I do not know all the details for various reasons, but from little I was able to hear, I would not jump at condemning Kostija or making fun of his behavior. The logic he presented to Indira made sense and she also understood that it made sense. This is the moment when she got up and walked back to the living room. What I would like to understand is who exactly is Palmer and what is his role in VHTV. I also have a sense that K&I and VHTV have some agreement who they will kiss, make out with or fuck and who is off limits. I may be wrong on that one, but it most likely is the case. K&I appear to be confused regarding what are the rules of this apartment, what is expected of them and what is off limits.
Sure, Tejo was able to get hold of Shanaâs ass for a minute during the M&M orgy on the couch.
He never got Shana in a room for an hour to fuck her âgoodâ the way he got to do with Indira at the H&M orgy where Kostija was kicked out of the bedroom
I didnât know you talked to Shana and she told you that, I thought she only put a heart to [Kennedi57751] post
What does how long Tejo fucked Shanna compared to how long he fucked Indira have anything to do with Bercee being convinced Tejo fucked Shanna without her consent. 
Why does everything have to lead back to Indira for some or you people? A lot of you are starting to come off as a bit obsessed with her, almost stalker like.
Palmer is the fellow in the blue baseball cap and jacket kissing Indira in the photo upthread. Often at parties at Mira and Henryâs place and now here at this apartment.
PalmerâŚThe first time I saw him was at M&H. He was at the party that night but he did not participate. He stayed after everyone else had left. He had M&H in the livingroom and talked and talked and talked for HOURS. You could tell that Mira wanted to go to bed but Palmer would not stop talking until after daybreak. He stayed with them for several days. At those earlier parties he was just a talker with no action. I called him The Drone. Recently he has started to take part and has improved his game. He knows Debbie well and has some kind of relation with her. See the picture at Tejoâs party.
Iâm with @jabbath1987 this topic is like beating a dead horse. People keep saying the same things over and over again just worded slightly differentâŚ
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I know what Palmer looks like, I just do not understand his role at all those parties. What is his role there. He is not like Felix who shows up any time there is fresh meet and then moves on. He never has a lady he brings along whom he could share in a swinging situation. He keeps talking for ever and everyone puts up with him. Why ?
Is he part of management and just likes to inspect things on the ground ?
Does he show up at many apartments or only the ones sponsored by H&M ?
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Now, here is another pair that make no sense at all: Debbie and Paul.
Basically, what the F* are they doing at these events. Some will say food, but I suspect there is more to their presence than food.
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Maybe his role is to be their friend. If they didnât enjoy his company, they wouldnât invite him to their parties.
I may be a cynic, but I do not go by the friendship alone theory
They are their friends, and they enjoy their company. Everything doesnât have to be a conspiracy, think Occomâs Razor. Sometimes itâs nice to take off the tinfoil hat.
I have a few friends (all couples) who are swingerâs, one of their rules is they never invite single males to their events, so someone like Palmer could never get an invite.
Iâm with you, he and Bruno should have been banned from these events a long time ago, sooner or later they are going to do something that causes a fight and the realm is taken offline and innocent participants will be penalized. I say cut their losses and ban themâŚ
masked prostitution⌠those individuals who come alone are clients for girls
problema este ca cineva de acolo din echipa este escroc âŚ
I agree with you that making fun of Kostja is totaly unjustified cruel and unfair to this young man in this difficult situation.
I am also wandering if it is the incident with Palmer kissing Indira or is it something else that happened with someone else at the outside party last night that is the issue K has with Indira. Could that be somehow figured out.