Based on their goodbye kiss, I’d say it’s all good.
No, something has happened between these two people, just hope they continue
But the body language was not good yesterday, how they both looked 
Ask whatdoiknow, maybe he can provide the video.
I thought you were going to help translate the loggie conversation but thanks anyway
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I didn’t ask that question but someone else 
The question that we don’t know is, why, are they letting Henry touch Indira when she and Kostja wouldn’t let Henry near her when they were participants, but now as visitors she lets him. Were they in financial hell, that they needed Henry’s help and his rules. Maybe the relationship is suffering because maybe she didn’t want to act and become a Henry sex toy, but Kostja thought it was a way to easy cash, but his disinterest in participating at H&M is upsetting her, because he’s not doing his part
Indira didn’t want to play… 
I still think the opposite…Indira wanted Henry’s cock again , Kostja didn’t want her to. I interpret the body language throughout the scene where Kostja started to dress , right through to when they left…I commented at the time that Indira was giving him a cold shoulder. It took a while for him to recognise it , but when he did his demeanour dropped considerably.
This happened before Kostja was aware, that there will be girlie-girlie action.
I think he had different plans than what really happened. I’m under the impression, that first he avoided that Indira sees what’s going on, held her back in the livingroom, but then told her what he had done.
Of course I don’t know what Henry gave him (and took himself). Must have been an anti-calf-candy, or a pain k__ler for his sour wrist from waking.
Don’t know if it had an effect on Indira’s reaction in the night at Jirina.
@Indira, do you want to let us know?
Everybody can think what they want.
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All occations of Henry actually fucking Indira lately started with Kostja fucking her, so if he doesn’t start, it seems Henry doesn’t get a chance to finish it
I believe that I understand what Ryan1977 is trying to say.
Indira once on stage is a real trooper. She will deliver the performance of a lifetime even if she is feverish with a high temperature or her ankle is broken. That does not mean that she is happy doing it.
From the K & I discussions back in the beginning of the year, Indira was as much as Kostja interested in not being anyone’s sex toy. The one day she came back from the street and told Kostja with some meeting/conversation she had with someone at VH in authority and they were demanding that K & I fuck for a least 20 minutes not with each other - Indira was in uproar. Shortly after that took place the foursome with Mikl and Shana.
All this to say that just because Indira can take in a cock while delivering a fantastic smile does not mean that she wants it.
Ryan1977 asks if they were in financial hell.
Right now, due to the war normal life in large cities such as Moscow has significantly slowed down.
Restaurants have few customers. Men of draft age are afraid to be out in the streets from fear of being caught in the net. In another apartment on VH the participant commented that most of their friend have left Russia. - This means that Kostja if he was looking for work in a kitchen, may have run into some read difficulties finding work. Did the financial crisis affect the K & I relationship. Money matters do have a way of corroding relationships.
It is possible that having run into a financial wall and having tried to return to VH, Henry laid out his rules.
All that still does not account for Kostja’s conduct during the apartment events. One on one with Indira, Kostja is no sissy. In the apartments, he plays the castrated boy. I doubt that this is what Indira expects of him. I have no explanation for his behavior. If anything his behavior has considerably gotten worse since January/February. At least back then he made faint attempts. and that is besides the blow jobs in bathrooms and other places. Now there is not even that much
Two night ago when Mikl/Marica and Koen were there, Marica was sitting on Henry’s face wall while Kostja was all dressed up. Had Henry chosen to fuck her, he did not need Kostja to initiate it. Kostja for all intents and purposes was not there that day.
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do you understand something from the clip posted by Kade…what does Kostja say to him in the kitchen?
there is not much of a conversation between Kostja and Henry of any importance. The possibly important stuff is goin going on between Kostja and Indira in the the last quarter of the video in the kitchen with the fan running. The fan makes it hard to hear. On top of that Kostja is speaking to Indira in a very authoritative tone but subdued voice so that even without the fan it would be hard to understand. During the space of his conversation Kostja appears quite bossy.
I will try to listen to this video a few more times. Sometimes repeated listening is effective.
The video starts by what appears like Henry asking Kostja to come and talk in the kitchen. Indira wants to join in. Kostja keeps pushing her away and tell her not to follow him. She follows him anyway. After that most of the conversation which I mentioned above took place between Kostja and Indira.
That next Victoria-Jana-experience did for sure not support Kostja’s self-consciousness.
Kostja was blocked out again, to see Indira giving herself into Artura’s hands and kissing her passionately,
and openly expressing her joy with it.
How do you know Kostja does not get his kicks out of watching his girl-friend kissing passionately another woman ?
At this point I do not know or understand Kostja and what makes him happy or unhappy or anything else about him.
It’s not the kissing and fondeling and moaning,
it is the fact when he tried to get involved, she pushes his hand away like leave me alone.
And then everybody complains, that he seeks the distance.
If not, she is bashing him away, if I were him I then would rather not try to get in touch with her, if that’s what I get for it.
I suspect that she pushes him away because he is not trying to seriously play but just to be a tease and a nuisance why the girls are playing. Kostja’s idea of humor and fun.
If he were to drop his pants and start fucking the girl from behind while she is making out with Indira, he may be taken seriously.
He could have initiated things with the other girl sitting alone in the corner while Indira was making out with the other girl… I am willing to be that the girl in the corner ( no, I do not mean Jirina) would have gone along with Kostja for th e ride. But he never even came close to that girl.
Although he did assist by holding legs in the air for the first girlie action in the bedroom.
Hah you think she wants to get in the middle of these silly debates you all are having? You are full of jokes today.
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