Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

Full approval, I had full respect for my stepf____r (only met my m____r when I was well over 30). He had been sent to war as a c___d in Russia and was seriously wounded there. I was afraid how he would tolerate my Ukrainian wife. The two loved each other, he said: “We had no business in Russia!”

His family was expelled from Poland, but he was not angry with the Poles, although he did not want to visit the area anymore, because it probably hurt him too much.

As just written, my stepf____r probably had a lot of land there with the family, but he had finished with it. The AnerRecognition of borders was painful for him, but he was realist.

War does terrible things to many countries and their displaced families and I have 100s of stories of departed Poles to Kazakhstan and countries like that by the Soviet occupiers but it serves no purpose.

It’s in the past and we should learn by it for our c___dren and their c___dren and try not to repeat these terrible actions.

He’s free sell his property in Germany and buy a land in Poland if he wants. He’s totally entitled to move and live in Poland as EU citizen

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Full agreement, one should look ahead and no longer change the borders with wars.

I have experienced that families no longer talk to each other, as one part lives in Ukraine and the other part in Russia.

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He did the only right thing and kept his “Pommern” in mind as he loved.

He died a few years ago.

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Interesting, would not have thought that I would not come to VHTV because of politics in the forum. :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :wink:

thanks to all sharing there thoughts on here,i have learnt things i would not have ever known

for example, the borders of Ukraine and Poland … :rofl: :joy:

(sorry, that was evil…)

Last one on that before I go to bed. :slight_smile:

@jabbath1987 I have read all your statements in this thread, and must disagree. Your vision is based on the fact that Putin gets objective information about the world around him, and that he cares about anything but his own person (and in that aspect he needs to stay in power in order to keep his persona intact). Anyway, he gets his information from the paperwork that his trusted friends in the KGB prepare for him. And yes, nobody but Putin - Putin doesn’t care. And one more thing - the KGB never taught strategy. They are good at tactics. And they don’t know how to think through long multi-pronged operations. So increasing the price of an invasion for Russia by supplying lethal defensive weapons is a very correct line of thought.

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Oh no, please, we’re calling Mr.Putin right now to make him change his mind!

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You’ve got some nationalist vibes here, this ain’t get you to no good, mate.

You seriously think people of any offending/attacking country share the guilt of their crazy government regimes? I mean, yeah, no one calls Bush’s government a regime when US invaded Iraqis. There were quite a lot of supporters back then. I bet you ask everyone if they supported these actions back then and never have a talk or take a service if they did.

Whatever. I find your stance ridiculous. I know Russian people well, as I work with them and visited the country several times. Believe me, the consensus of Russians on this and other cases is either negative or neutral as their government has long-time achievement of suppressing ordinary people’ opinions and mind expression.

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I think even if Russia invades Ukraine, they won’t occupy the whole country. They’d probably just annex the eastern provinces (Donetsk, Luhansk ,… ) like what they did to Crimea or Georgia’s South Ossetia. and Western countries won’t be able to do anything about it. anyhow it won’t effect the timezones :wink:

Damn these politics topics. They always turn to no good :smiley:

My two cents here is total inability of Russia to successfully attack any other country to establish any regime. No country is able to run urban war nowadays. It is almost impossible to train to, and it is extremely hard (read, expensive) to supply to remote regions. Russian army is unable to move any fast, they rely on railroads within their boundaries and the speed of road travel is extremely slow. The only sudden attack they can do is air bombing, which they have some resources for, but these are limited. They can disrupt the Donbas region instead by some powerful final blow to take these grounds away from Ukraine. This will, however, just move the point/bounds of contact further somewhere.

You know he might be totally out of mind by just shorting his country’s stocks? :slight_smile:

Can we not just put all the world leaders in an arena and make them scrap it out? It might spare the rest of us their madness and be fantastic entertainment at the same time. I’d pay good money to see Boris Johnson having the crap kicked out of him.

Apparently the UK government has sent arms to the Ukraine. Such a smart move when we buy most of our gas supplies from Russia. I actually think this is just more posturing from Putin. A flexing of muscles if you will.

To us Putin is a bit like Thanos; one snap of his fingers and suddenly the UK has no ability to heat homes or cook. I say a bit like Thanos, cutting off the gas supply is not quite destroying half the population of the universe but it’s still a bit bad. let’s just say I’m glad we recently replaced our microwave oven.

From a liberalist’s perspective, Russia is totally out of line with international law. From a realist’s perspective, Russia’s actions are totally legitimate. The funny thing is that USA pretends to be liberalists, and the upholder of international law, when they themselves can be the biggest realists on the world stage whenever it suits them.

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Been watching a really interesting 2017 BBC iPlayer 3 part series here in the UK about Russia. The final episode is particularily relevant as it speaks about Ukraine & Crimea (watch out for the nutcase admonishing lions!) Not difficult to view by spoofing/using a VPN

Russia with Simon Reeve

Yes Indeed, the main reason for annexing Crimea is that Russia did not want it to be used as a NATO base against them.

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yes, some leaders always find an excellent reason to annex territories on the pretext that it is only a gesture of defense against an odious aggression. Putin is not the only one… What about the USA with the blockade of Cuba or their interventions thanks to the CIA in the countries of Latin America against communism and the democratically elected leaders (not all…).
they always find a good reason to justify the unjustifiable.
it has always been forever and it will never change, alas…