Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

2940

IMO… I think your disgust at VHTV is misplaced.

VHTV has stated it is not a Russian company. Just like McDonnell’s & Starbucks are not Russian companies.

Maybe what would be more appropriate to some of y’all is for VHTV to just turn-off the Russian apartments.

But instead of waiting for someone else to do our bidding for us, we as subscribers and viewers can take our own actions. We could simply boycott those apartments that are in Russia, f_____g those folks in those apartments to find other sources of income.

2941

Don’t know if all of what I have read today is true. China just said they would help Russia monetarily and with food but no weapons to Russia. China also said that U.S.A. ships in the straight of Taiwan is a act of aggression. IMO I don’t like the way this is shaping up.

2942

what do you want them to do? just be sad and cry all day? also a lot of the apartments are not even in russia

2943

I’m not going to rewrite the whole post but this is my opinion on the matter. VHTV Stands with Ukraine. You can help too - #33 by anon31605929

Sorry as that was meant to be directed towards @MadMax

2944

Let’s face it, it is Russia that has started a a war of aggression against an inferior country and committing war crimes on a large scale. I don’t want to sound trite, but yes, I expect to see a corresponding change in the Russian apartments. Now is simply not the time for partying.

From VHTV I wish that they take the Russichen apartments from the program. It is about damaging Putin economically as much as posible.

2945

VHTV isn’t a Mcdonald’s or anything like a massive multinational company, it is a tiny insignificant spec in the vastness of the corporate world. VHTV has employees from many nations including Ukraine which would deprive them of any possibility for future earnings, haven’t they suffered too much to lose their only means of supporting themselves as well. Any suspension of the Russia apartments will make no difference at all and will only impose ill-conceived hardship on so many people that that rely on its existence i.e., staff and participants.

VHTV was located out of Russia for the very reason the CEO gave that he didn’t feel comfortable living in a Russian society that had so many unjust limitations on people’s daily lives. So, he and the company pay taxes in a European country and in not being too pedantic about things you could very well say that a part of those taxes are being used to pay for weapons that are being sent to Ukraine.

Another thing is that almost all options for payments to Russia have been blocked and I believe the only option now is through cryptocurrencies and with Coinbase one of the largest cryptocurrency wallets in the world announcing that they are blocking activity within Russia three days ago , others are sure to follow soon. So, there will be little or no option to pay these Russian realms in the future anyway and some of them will have to make hard decisions on whether they carry on with the project paying their internet bills or feed themselves and that’s not fantasy, this is the cold hard reality that they will face in the coming weeks.

It really isn’t their fault. We have seen time and time again that participants have been on protests in Russia, voiced their opinion on the forum and on Twitter, which I may add is extremely dangerous for them to do so now, where they could face going to prison for doing so. Why should they be held accountable when you have supported these people for months and months and now you want to condemn them to a life of hardship, which in the greater scheme of things will make no difference whatsoever.

Lastly, I want you to put your hand on your heart and bearing in mind all of the above, can you honestly say that you would close your company out of morals and make yourself bankrupt affecting so many lives including Ukrainian ones, knowing that it will make no difference whatsoever.

I would think that 99% of you if you are totally honest would not close the Russian apartments if you were in that position. It’s just a few of you who sit there in the comfort of your sofa and not really thinking things through and how it would affect so many people. It is so easy to be a moral and upstanding person when it doesn’t affect you personally as you will just walk off without a care in the world and carry on with your lives thinking that you are doing great for the war effort but leaving a mountain of destruction behind you.

I have run a business for 20 years now and had good times and bad times and right now I have suspended my business to help with things here in Poland. But I have to answer you honestly if I was in VHTV’s position I would do nothing different, because if you think about it without prejudice (and that is quite a hard thing to do), your actions would make no difference whatsoever in the greater scheme of things, in fact it will have the opposite effect by destroying lives, and I could not have that on my conscience.

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2946

Why not just close the Russian apartments? The concept of VHTV is good after all and will continue to work. To believe that VHTV is too small, I think is a poor excuse.

Once again, it is important to hit Putin as broadly as possible. This clearly applies not only to a few large companies, but to the Russian economy in general. I, at least, would like VHTV to stand side by side with Ukraine. This is about more than just collecting donations. In my opinion, this also means that we as customers have to decide a little bit in favor of our own principles. The Ukraine is more important than the voyeur kink we have. I at least hope so.

2947

When even one apartment closes people complain and close their membership, we have seen that here time and time again, it would be the start of the end and again it would see Ukrainian staff without any income as well.

They do, some of their staff are Ukrainian and they have done many things to help the apartments and the people affected by this war.

That is your opinion and is respected as such, but it is not your nor my responsibility to enf___e that on others.

Absolutely, and many of us do things to help directly and indirectly and without this company, we wouldn’t have been so personally involved or affected by it.

2948

I have absolutely no interest in hurting, harming or making life difficult for any of the people in the VHTV apartments.

While boycotting VHTV or just the Russian apartments may make you feel like you are doing something, the reality is that whatever you choose to do, it will have absolutely no effect on Putin and his war.

2949

I can’t enf___e anything and i do not want to enf___e something. As I said, the moral decision must be made by everyone individualy. I can only help people to remind that if they give money to VHTV, they also support Putin.
As I said, I am surprised that with all the Russian apartments there is absolutely no influence to be seen and they just party without end, while their soldiers k__l innocent people (including women and c___dren).
Again, why not just end the russian apartments in VHTV?

2950

I have already given my reasons for that.

Respected :slight_smile:

I have already given a reason for that in my OP.

I have seen a couple of the apartments go out on protest against the war, but they are also under very strict controls and even possible imprisonment if they do so.

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2951

As I said, your decision. Only I think it is wrong.

2952

As I have said on here before, I think we do more harm to Putin by disseminating what is really happening in Ukraine on this Forum which can be seen by Russian appts and subscribers, than we could do by withdrawing our subs or banning the Russian appts. Credit to those on here who have been posting the images of what we know is happening in Ukraine because we have access and Russians do not - worse they are fed downright lies. And also many of the Russian people are trying to protest the war in circumstances where they are under severe threat - we should support them. We need to become a World community where we can all enjoy peace regardless of our differences. VHTV in it’s own way is a microcosm of that.

2953

The Russian apartments have nothing to do with the war and shouldn’t have to be punished just because Vladimir Putin started it. So lets say i live in the UK and Boris Johnston started a war with France should i a normal person called Paul be Punished. What does everyone expect the people in the Russian apartment to do if they do anything they will get arrested. There is only one person i hate in all this war and that’s Vladimir Putin he’s the one in charge.

2954

That would be fun having a battle against Monsieur @FROG14 :laughing: :laughing:

2955

Completely agree

2956

heute mal auf Deutsch:

Ich stimme Dir zu, nur die Oligarchen können Putin stoppen, den diese verlieren gerade recht viel. Es geht nicht um die 1-5 Mrd. €/$ sondern die Reisefreiheiten und das Ansehen, sie müssen sich verstecken und ihre Töchter und Söhne sind in London & Co nicht mehr gerne gesehen.

Wie war ich mir mit meinem ukrainischen Freund einig, wenn die Oligarchen nicht mehr richtig leben können, werden diese versuchen das zu regeln.

Die Ansichten der älteren ist öfters eingefahren. Auch wenn es um meine Schwiegermutter & Schwiegervater geht, die wollen die Ukraine nicht verlassen. Zum Glück leben sie in einem kleinen Dorf und es ist kein Flugplatz oder wichtige Infrastruktur dort. (Hätte nie gedacht das ich das mal als Vorteil schreibe.)

Die Mutter einer Freundin haben wir vor zwei Wochen mit dem Auto in Polen abgeholt und nach Süddeutschland gefahren.

Jetzt kommen ja auch keine Männer mehr raus, vor 1-2 Wochen ging das noch unter Zahlung von bestimmten Summen. Mein Neffe will aber zur Not kämpfen, als 19 Jähriger, … er ist aber wie sein Vater in der Hinsicht. Meine Frau wollte das der “Junge” sich raushält, da er keine Erfahrungen mit Waffen hat als Student. Sie hätte ich zu uns gebracht.

Was ich besonders schade finde ist, das es nun den Kampf innerhalb der ukrainisch und russischsprechenden Menschen auch in Deutschland gibt. Das geht soweit, das der (nur) russisch sprechende Ukrainer zum Teil von den West-Ukrainern als “Russe” beschimpft wird.

@kaya Seien Sie vorsichtig!

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2957

Well said.

2958

What a twisted view of the world. You can’t just ignore the construct of countries. Of course Putin is responsible for this inhumane war of aggression. But every citizen in the country is doing his part to make it possible for Putin to do so. As I said, now is not the time for partying, but the time to get really active.

Honestly, there are more important things than a few apartments more or less in VHTV. In the face of the suffering that Russia is bringing to Ukraine right now, this is absolutely not important. Just to collect some donations, sorry, that is simply not enough to be able to morally redeem oneself.

Again, why not just close the Russian apartments and open new ones elsewhere? Maybe they can also make it possible for the Russians who want to leave Russia.

2959

Now is a time for those participants to get active? The Russian ones? It’s easy to say that when you don’t live in that country with the constant threat of jail time. Should they stop partying? Maybe, but then they would lose viewers, so you can’t expect them to do that. They still need to eat. Put yourself in their shoes, would you do that?