Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

I cannot detect any threat from the West. What to fear? the threat to date is Puting. The West has no intention of invading Russia, but it is Russia by annexing, inciting, threatening and bullying other free nations, is creating instability with a risk of a conflict that no one wants

I am not supporting Putin I am understanding his motives objectively and there is the difference.

That is because you are not thinking objectively.

The West has always been a perceived threat to the leaders of Russia, during communism and post downfall of the Soviet Union.

This will explain it better than I can. Russia’s Clash With the West Is About Geography, Not Ideology – Foreign Policy

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forget about the war that may or may not start ,Russia got lots of lovely girls

Yes, I agree with you, but that was the era of the USSR. I don’t think the UK, Germany, the US or any Western nation wants to invade Russia. Please be real. All the problem here is caused by Puting, who wants to recreate what was once the USSR. No Western Nations are posing a threat to Russia except Russia itself

I agree with almost all of what you are saying, but I like to find out the details of why people think in a way like Putin and when you do, it’s not so black and white.

Someone once said “One Man’s Terrorist is Another Man’s Freedom Fighter” and if you only understand one point of view, then you will never have objective thinking and are open to the trap of propaganda and the bleats of the loudest sheep. :slight_smile:

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I am perfectly aware that it is not so black and white, which is why I keep saying that the West poses no threat to Russia. The West has no territorial claim to Russia. Here we are faced with a dictator, another Hitler, who wants to regain the lost empire

Well, you are welcome to your opinon. :slight_smile:

I know we cannot discuss specifically where participants are from but it is clear to most that a great deal are in/from Russia/Ukraine. I just wonder what their thoughts are, and how they plan to keep safe going forward.

Well, thread can be closed.
Lavrov - 10 pages of offers and other things for contacts with USA.
Shoygu - summed all military drills. And that the part has already ended and the part will end soon (before 20).

Also, the Belarusian attaches will attend the Ukrainian military drills Metel-22, and the Ukrainians invited to the final stage “Allied Resolve 22” (where are 20к Russian-Belarusian troops).

As much as I truly respect you Andrey and as much as I really hope this is true, I do not trust any media source until it starts to become common news. Let’s hope that in the coming hours and days that is the case. :slight_smile:

I do not trust any media source until it starts to become common news.

But it’s official. About

Also, the Belarusian attaches will attend the Ukrainian military drills Metel-22, and the Ukrainians invited to the final stage “Allied Resolve 22” (where are 20к Russian-Belarusian troops).

https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2022/02/14/oleksij-reznikov-proviv-telefonnu-rozmovu-z-ministrom-oboroni-respubliki-bilorus-viktorom-hreninim/

About Shoygu and Lavrov - this is a video.

“Часть этих учений подходят к своему завершению, часть будет завершена в ближайшее время”, - сказал он.

It’s just that the current hysteria is now hitting Ukraine very hard, first of all. What Zelensky is talking about. For example, air travel. Ukraine is f___ed to give 17 billion UAH to provide insurance guarantees. Otherwise, not any plane will fly through/to/from Ukraine.

20% of the Verkhovna Rada (the main governance Ukraine) - run on a wave of panic. Zelensky gave them 24 hours to return today or they will be deprived of parliament.

A lot of money is spent on keeping the hryvnia exchange rate. The fact that the embassies were closed immediately is also a blow to Ukraine.

The most probable course of events is that today/tomorrow the Western speakers, by inertia, still talk about invasion today or tomorrow. Tomorrow Scholz is in Kremlin. Judging by speech press conference. They made progress in negotiations on special status Donbass (this is one of key points). Then Italians will be in Kremlin. And three day big visit Bolsonaro (Brazil) and delegation. So Putin no have time to invade. :grinning: After - 18-19 last days military drills. 20-22 - when CNN deadline for invasion is over, western speakers begin talk about deescalation and watch trains with tanks&military equipment go to Ural.

:joy::joy::stuck_out_tongue:

It seems I was right not to trust media sources, especially Russian ones as there is no withdrawal, in fact the latest information is that there has been an increase in f___es on the border.

Now Zelensky is threatening to abandon the Budapest memorandum and to be fair why shouldn’t he, as Putin dismissed it years ago. Terrible thought though that Ukraine would rearm with nuclear weapons, although it would take years for them to do so.

Does anyone know if Nato sanctions have any effect on VHTV? They would most likely hit Russia’s energy sector I imagine that all the “ISP” issues happening now would be permanent.

All men will be called to fight, and women will remain alone on VHTV :astonished: :astonished:

That would be relevant if the ISP and data servers were in Russia but what has been posted from VHTV themselves is that the company isn’t based in Russia.

It;s easy to trace where the streams come from through programmes like Wireshark, but what’s the point in doing so, I haven’t done it as not interested in doing so.

Well the thing is grandpa Biden says everyday an attack is imminent and nothing happens. I begin to think he wants a war there. Let’s see what happens as like Russians say tomorrow military manouvers will end in Belarus if troops will retreat. I don’t believe anything Biden says at the moment. Though the Russian information has to be always taken with a grain of salt.

Putin claims that Russia feels threatened by NATO. That alone is reason enough that he will not withdraw his troops once the maneuvers are complete. Rather, he will find a reason manipulated by the Russians to invade Ukraine. Maybe not in the next few days, but definitely in the coming weeks.

I want to hear grandpa Biden when Russian troops would be in Mexico on the US Border. The same thing is happening to Russia on the border of the Baltic states. So I can understand they don’t want Ukraine to be part of NATO too. I prefer Ukraine being a neutral country like for example Switzerland.

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Of course, the Russians don’t want Ukraine to be part of NATO. It would certainly be the best move if Ukraine were neutral, but I don’t think Putin sees it that way.

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