seems that the isreal people are the bad guys in your eyes?
this is what the Hamas did…
Terrible footage from Beeri.
Civilians tried to escape in a car, but Hamas burned them alive 
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and this is the reaction they get…
More like an apocalypse movie 
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so both sides could do a lot better!
but for the moment i think that Israel is in the full right of defending themselves
Damn all this back and forth s__t.Hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.“PERIOD”
“On Wednesday afternoon, US President Joe Biden told a meeting of Jewish community leaders that he had seen pictures of c___dren beheaded by Hamas militants. The White House subsequently reported that Biden had not seen such photographs, but that he was referring to reports from Israel.”
Amnesty international reporting" no evidence of c___dren beheaded and burned".
“Hamas leaders vehemently deny any k__lings of c___dren”.
This is how media hipe looks like. And you can see in this topic how quickly you can fall into it.
I am not on anyone’s side. But…to flatten an area of 2.2 million people where 45% are c___dren? Is that really the only thing we know how to do?
I leave the debate to you, and I withdraw from the topic.
Edit:
I owe you a brief explanation. Hamas is, for me, a terrorist faction that must be wiped off the planet. Like countless other militias. However, I do not agree that the Palestinian people in general should be condemned for this. It is like burning the whole house because one bug flew into it. Except that we are talking here about burning a people, c___dren, women, innocents. This is where I see the problem with the calls for Israel to gather everything it has and simply wipe Gaza off the face of the earth.
What Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people for decades, I would rather not. History has never taught us anything anyway.
like the people un former comonist states the citizens can throw away bad leaders
I partly agree with you, the bombing of an entire community is inexcusable!
But who bears the responsibility for this?
Is that Israel? or the Hamas?
they lived side by side in relative peace until Hamas launched a nasty terrorist raid against Israel, where festival attendees were unceremoniously slaughtered without even looking at who they are and what they think.
Then they went back with hostages to the Gaza strip, the hostages are distributed over the entire strip, so that is also where the Hamas terrorists are located.
If you look at history, Israel has always exercised caution when it came to hostages, even 1 Israeli soldier was exchanged for more than 1000 terrorists, the fact that they are now bombing everything shows the impact the attack has on the entire community.
What is good and what is bad?
The line is thin.
But I maintain that Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorists and that if they have the opportunity to eradicate Hamas, they should do so, just like Hezbollah
The massacre carried out by the militants was characterized not simply as an act of war, but as a manifestation of an ancient and absolute evil.
"Terrorists k__led women and c___dren in their beds. They hunted young men and women who had gathered for a musical party. They took hostages whose fate is unknown. This recalls the darkest pages of history, the shock of this permeates us through and through. This can only be given “one answer. Europe stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel. We support its right to self-defense,” von der Leyen said.
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Hamas is ISIS.
Hamas must be destroyed
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We are both on the same side. We all know what the problem is. And we all agree that Hamas must be destroyed. A long time ago.
But not in this way. Only the innocent are being crushed and dying. Among those k__led are UN personnel, Red Cross… hospital staff, c___dren, women etc.
I don’t know how to solve this chaos, this slaughter, we have people, governments, organisations for that. Unfortunately, there is obviously no will to do it, or some people benefit from it.
What is worse, there is already so much evil in the world that this could escalate very quickly. And then God have mercy on us all.
ISIS flag found among Hamas property which they left in Israel.
Hamas is telling you they are literally ISIS.
i am sorry lukas and i have no problem with you but this is not even close to being true i showed you every year israel brakes a new record k__ling Palestinian c___dren this year even before the airstrikes was already the deadliest in history so can you imagine the numbers now and also the jenin massacre happened this year too .
“Israel’s incursion into Jenin refugee camp marks six months during which Israel’s government has matched the record for k__ling Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. Israeli f___es have employed unwarranted lethal f___e, forcibly displaced Palestinians and destroyed their homes with impunity”
“Since Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power late last year, conditions in the occupied Palestinian territory have rapidly deteriorated. At least 152 Palestinians, including 28 c___dren, have been k__led in the West Bank, matching last year’s record. The majority of those k__led were shot by Israeli f___es with live ammunition”
At least 12 Palestinians, including at least four c___dren, were k__led and over a 100 injured during Israel’s incursion into Jenin refugee camp. More than 3,500 refugees have fled the camp and become internally displaced as Israeli airstrikes and bulldozers damaged homes, roads and other civilian infrastructure, including electricity and water supplies.
“The UN has documented more than 441 settler attacks in the first half of this year, compared to 343 during the same period last year. Attacks have ranged from physically assaulting Palestinians to damaging property, including in multiple large-scale attacks in which dozens of settlers have rampaged through Palestinian communities attacking civilians and causing widespread destruction. Israeli authorities have also promoted more than 13,000 new settlement housing units so far this year - another record number.”
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People wanting to sacrifice more Israelis lives in order to save even more Palestinian lives never heard of trolley problem.
It’s way too easy to say the Palestine people are innocent. They elected in a democratic election Hamas as their leaders. They had the choice to vote differently. The more moderate Fatah party was also a choice. But no they elected the terrorists of Hamas.
Just like the Germans elected the NSDAP in the (last) democratic election. They were guilty for that too.
Even now I don’t see any Palestine people protesting against what Hamas has done and is still doing.
So for me they are guilty. That doesn’t justify k__ling civilians but now crying about the evil Israelis is just ridiculous. They maybe had to think about that before they elected Hamas as their leaders…
To answer that, we first have to go back in history to see how Israel came into existence and whether it has a right to exist.
In 1947, a United Nations General Assembly resolution provided for the creation of an “Arab State” and a “Jewish State” to exist within Palestine in the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. The Jewish Agency, precursor to the Israeli government, agreed to the plan, but the Palestinians rejected it and fighting broke out. After Israel’s 14 May 1948 unilateral declaration of independence, support from neighboring Arab states escalated the 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine into the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The legal and territorial status of Israel and Palestine is still hotly disputed in the region and within the international community.
According to Ilan Pappé, Arab recognition of Israel’s right to exist was part of Folke Bernadotte’s 1948 peace plan.[9] The Arab states gave this as their reason to reject the plan.[9] In the 1950s UK MP Herbert Morrison cited then Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser as saying “Israel is an artificial State which must disappear.”[10] The issue was described as the central one between Israel and the Arabs.[11]
After the June 1967 war, Egyptian spokesman Mohammed H. el-Zayyat stated that Cairo had accepted Israel’s right to exist since the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli armistice in 1949.[12] He added that this did not imply recognition of Israel.[12] In September, the Arab leaders adopted a hardline “three nos” position in the Khartoum Resolution: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel.[13] But In November, Egypt accepted UN Security Council Resolution 242, which implied acceptance of Israel’s right to exist. At the same time, Nasser urged Yasser Arafat and other Palestinian leaders to reject the resolution. “You must be our irresponsible arm,” he said.[14] King Hussein of Jordan also acknowledged that Israel had a right to exist at this time.[15] Meanwhile, Syria rejected Resolution 242, saying that it, “refers to Israel’s right to exist and it ignores the right of the [Palestinian] refugees to return to their homes.”[16]
Upon assuming the premiership in 1977, Menachem Begin spoke as follows: Our right to exist—have you ever heard of such a thing? Would it enter the mind of any Briton or Frenchman, Belgian or Dutchman, Hungarian or Bulgarian, Russian or American, to request for its people recognition of its right to exist? … Mr. Speaker: From the Knesset of Israel, I say to the world, our very existence per se is our right to exist
As reported by The New York Times, in 1988 Yasser Arafat declared that the Palestinians accepted United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, which would guarantee “the right to exist in peace and security for all”. [18] In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said “Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s.”[19]
In 1993, there was an official exchange of letters between Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and chairman Arafat, in which Arafat declared that “the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel’s right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.”[20]
In 2009 Prime Minister Ehud Olmert demanded the Palestinian Authority’s acceptance of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, which the Palestinian Authority rejected.[21] The Knesset plenum gave initial approval in May 2009 to a bill criminalising the public denial of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, with a penalty of up to a year in prison.[22] In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that the Palestinian people recognise Israel’s right to exist and they hope the Israeli government will respond by “recognizing the Palestinian state on the borders of the land occupied in 1967.”[23]
Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating “I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state.”[24][25] In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine’s right to exist.[26]
John V. Whitbeck argued that Israel’s insistence on a right to exist f___es Palestinians to provide a moral justification for their own suffering.[27] Noam Chomsky has argued that no state has the right to exist, that the concept was invented in the 1970s, and that Israel’s right to exist cannot be accepted by the Palestinians.[28]
International law scholar Anthony Carty observed in 2013 that “the question whether Israel has a legal right to exist might appear to be one of the most emotively charged in the vocabulary of international law and politics. It evokes immediately the ‘exterminationist’ rhetoric of numerous Arab and Islamic politicians and ideologues, not least the present President of Iran.”[29]
so yes, there are two sides of the history, but does Israel has a right to Exist?
Yes!
it should have been the safe place for them after the persecution of Jews in western Europe between the 1900 and 1945 aera
there is no real place in the world that they are completely safe for the Jews, thats why Isreal has to be what it is…
And YES, they have every right to defend their homeland against any form of terrorist.
sure there are a lot of things that went wrong, but it is all born from fear of losing the m____rland
Agree with your excellent summary except for the last sentence which is simply not fit for purpose. To illustrate the point I go back all those years to the palestinian man owning a title deed for his olive orchard, land on which a kibbutz was being built and for which the Israeli authorities had refused to recognise his legal title. Are you saying that the Israeli authorities were not at fault ‘because they were afraid of losing their m____rland?’ Theft is theft and anything else is morally indefensible and bankrupt.
Even the more honest Israelis admit that land was (and still is) being stolen.
I am very concerned that the IDF has turned off the electricity in Gaza. Not only will this hamper the rescuing of civilians but I suspect it is designed to prevent mobiles from being charged and footage being put on the Internet. As Philip Snowden is alleged to have said, ‘Truth is always the first casualty of war.’
So how stupid is it to attack the source for giving you eletrcitity? When it is dark they can operate with nightvision which the cavemen from Hamas do not have. And I do not pity the people there. Now they get what they voted for. I always say think before you vote…
We’re watching a genocide happen in real time…
Do you think that any of the 326 c___dren k__led by Israel now have voted for Hamas?
I said I am against k__ling civillians. So do not twist my words please.
There will be no light or water in the Gaza Strip until the Israeli hostages are freed, - Israeli Energy Minister.
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