Discussion about Hamas attack on Israel and conflict (Operation Iron Sword)

I don’t plan in wading into this discussion much because my main interest is the war in Ukraine, but because YouTube channel ‘Warthog Defense’ has uploaded an update on what is happening on both sides with lots of body cam footage I felt this was worth sharing here.

I don’t know how much work Warthog plans to put into covering this new conflict because it has only just begun but I would advise anyone here who plans to follow updates and share them here to keep watching what Warthog uploads.

Sadly another conflict has begun and regardless of who you support I’m sure you will agree with me that another war is the last thing our World needs right now. War is hell on Earth for EVERYONE involved. There is a lot I don’t share on the Ukrainian war discussion because it is simply too graphic and horrific. I have watched videos I later regretted from dead Ukrainian soldiers being eaten by pigs with Russian soldiers watching and laughing to beheading’s and Ukrainian Women being gang r__ed before being b____lly executed… the stuff of nightmares.

This is potentially very, very serious and I really hope some kind of peace can be found ‘‘Quickly’’ to end this before it becomes much, much worse.

HEZBOLLAH ENTERING THE WAR

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The attack on Israel was a complete surprise, we didn’t know Hamas had so many rockets - ex-Mossad chief in an interview with CNN

According to Ephraim Halevy, who headed the Mossad from 1998 to 2002, such a massive attack by the Palestinians was a complete surprise.

:speech_balloon:"It came as a complete surprise that the war started in the morning. The number of rockets they launched in less than 24 hours is over 3,000. From our point of view, it’s beyond imagination. We didn’t know they had that many missiles, and we certainly didn’t expect them to be so effective," he said.

At the same time, Bloomberg writes that the Hamas attack was the biggest Israeli intelligence failure in 50 years.



:exclamation::lebanon::israel: Now Hezbollah is entering the confrontation. Dozens of rockets are launched towards Israel from southern Lebanon. An order has been given to evacuate all population centres.

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I suspect the biggest danger is yet to come. The Israeli PM has been politically humiliated. It must be very tempting to use this atrocity as a springboard to attack the Iran facilities refining Uranium. We are then into uncharted territory i.e. would Iran retaliate by mining Straits of Hormuz. What would be the effects on world markets? If Israel is sensible, it will respond ‘proportionately,’ I hope it does.

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The first phase of the operation is over, the majority of enemy f___es in Israel have been destroyed, said Prime Minister Netanyahu

Earlier at night, Israel attacked the Hamas Interior Ministry building.

The Israeli army has declared the Gaza Strip a closed military zone, entry into which is strictly prohibited. According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, about 20 thousand residents of the Gaza Strip have fled their homes due to the shelling.


Blazing rooftops and fireworks in Gaza are a Hamas tactic to blind the thermal imaging cameras of Israeli UAVs, manned aircraft and TV-guided munitions in the night.

Evenly spaced fire sources on multiple rooftops obscure IDF surveillance systems, making it much more difficult to identify and engage targets, and the launching of fireworks adds random bright flashes to the overall picture, interfering even more.


There have been publications in the Western press about Russia’s involvement in the attack on Israel

Several publications have appeared in Western publications that Russia may be involved in the Hamas attack on Israel. Such a statement was made by the chairman of the Estonian Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Commission Marko Mihkelson. And the website of the major Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot published a column by retired British Army Colonel Richard Kemp under the headline “The f___es that pushed Hamas to attack are in Moscow”.

Details. Mihkelson said in comments to Estonian National Television (ERR) (Estonian president, foreign minister condemn attacks against Israel | News | ERR) that Russian and Iranian involvement in the attack was indicated by the timing of the attack, and the fact that both Moscow and Tehran have contacts with Hamas. “Hamas leaders have held consultations in Moscow twice in the last 12 months and it is clear that Russia has an interest in both diverting attention from Ukraine and complicating Israel’s rapprochement with Saudi Arabia through creating tension in the region,” the ERR MP said.

:black_small_square: Kemp, in a column (Hands that pushed Hamas attack forward are in Moscow) on Yediot Ahronot’s website, also writes about Russian involvement in the Hamas attack on Israel. According to the former commander of Operation Fingal in Afghanistan, “u_______g to fight NATO directly, Putin is instead fuelling conflicts between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Serbia and Kosovo, in West Africa, and now in Israel.” Kemp bases his conclusions on publicly available information, particularly Moscow’s contacts with Tehran and Hamas.

:black_small_square: Neither Kemp nor Michkelson cite facts that would support their reasoning.

:black_small_square: Major Western publications are more cautious in their assessments. However, they also draw attention to Moscow’s benefits from the escalation of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Thomas L. Friedman, a columnist for The New York Times, writes. Friedman, a protracted war in the Middle East could divert much of the American military equipment needed by Kiev to Tel Aviv. If Israel is to invade the Gaza Strip and start a prolonged war, Ukraine will have to compete with it for Patriot missiles, 155-millimetre artillery shells and other weapons that Kiev desperately needs.

Context. At the official level, Moscow has adopted a neutral stance, calling on both sides for an immediate ceasefire.

:black_small_square: Federal TV channels also covered the events in Israel neutrally on Saturday. By Sunday, however, their presentation began to change. On Sunday, stories on Channel One and Russia 1 began repeating the ideas expressed the previous day by Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council. Journalists of the TV channels and their experts held the United States responsible for the escalation of the conflict in the Middle East. For example, a story on Channel One recalled that a week ago Biden’s adviser Jake Sullivan “boasted that the United States had brought calm to the Middle East.” In addition, both TV channels admitted that the Western weapons handed over to Ukraine could have ended up with Hamas.

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Hamas has spent two years preparing for an attack, convincing Israel that it only wants money.

The Palestinian group Hamas has spent the past two years hiding its military plans and convincing Israel that it does not want war and is interested in economic stability, Reuters writes.

  • The Hamas group from the Gaza Strip has spent the last couple of years convincing Israel that it does not want war, while Islamic Jihad and Lebanese Hezbollah have been diverting the attention of Israeli intelligence agencies. That, among other things, explains why Saturday’s attack took the Israeli army and special operations f___es by surprise, Reuters wrote, citing sources close to Hamas.

The agency’s source close to Hamas said the Palestinian group had used “unprecedented intelligence tactics” to mislead Israel in recent months. In preparation, Hamas built a simulated Israeli settlement in Gaza and trained troops to land and storm there.

The group also filmed the exercise on video. The source said that Israel had seen them but was convinced that Hamas was not planning to engage in hostilities. That said, many of the group’s own leaders were unaware of the specific plans, as Hamas’ main goal was to prevent leaks. Neutralising an Israeli army communications centre in southern Gaza to disrupt command and control, taking hostages at a music festival and taking them into militant territory were all part of the plan.

Hamas, in pursuit of its plans, has refrained from military operations against Israel for the past two years, for which it has been criticised by some supporters, Reuters noted. This reinf___ed the effect of the impression that they were not planning military interventions.

Since escalating in 2021, Israel has sought to bring a basic level of economic stability to Gaza by allowing its residents to work in the country, where wages are 10 times higher. An Israeli security source speaking to the agency admitted they had been duped by Hamas. “They were able to convince us that they only want money,” an Israeli security source told the agency.
Israeli defence f___e spokesman Major Nir Dinar described the group’s attack as Israel’s 9/11.

The attention of the intelligence services (and their personnel) was diverted away from the Gaza Strip by Arab speeches in the West Bank.


Terrorists from Hamas have shown their underground storage for rockets.

It was for the construction of such concrete tunnels that international aid to Gaza went to.

Russia is also building the “Surovikin line” instead of schools and houses in depressed regions.


Iran, according to the Pentagon, participated in the preparation of the Hamas attack on Israel

This was stated by the spokesman of the National Security Council of the White House, John Kirby.

According to him, American special services do not have direct evidence of Iran’s involvement in the terrorist attack on October 7, but the support that the Tehran regime has provided to Hamas over the years should be taken into account.

“Certainly, Iran is complicit in the attack,” Kirby said.




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Hamas said it was ready to negotiate with Israel - Reuters.

:black_small_square:The United States is increasing the supply of air defense systems, ammunition and other military assistance to the Israeli side.

:black_small_square:Israel continues to attack the Gaza Strip in response to Saturday’s massacre. The headquarters are being cleared.

:black_small_square:They write about the execution of two hostages by Hamas. A video of the execution is being uploaded, but its authenticity has not been confirmed.

:black_small_square:The Israeli army invaded the city of Nablus on the West Bank of Jordan. There are battles going on there - Palestinian media.

Israel’s total siege of the Gaza Strip is banned under international law, the United Nations human rights chief said Tuesday.

“The imposition of sieges that endanger the lives of civilians by depriving them of goods essential for their survival is prohibited under international humanitarian law,” Volker Turk said in a statement.

Israeli airstrikes have hit schools and large residential tower blocks in Gaza City, resulting in civilian casualties, he added.

36% of the people living Israel have no right to vote in general elections as most Palestinian, who have lived there all their lives, are classed as only having residence status. So they pay tax but get no right to vote. Thats what happened to coloured people in America and South Africa.

after this they can be happy if they are allowed to stay in Israel any longer

Thats called ethnic cleansing, something germany was very good at in the 30s and early 40s

the people who should be ‘cleaned’ were part of the entire community, and they did not treat the government, did not shoot thousands of rockets on innocent people…

so i fully understand that Israel is trying to k__l all te Hamas people who were behind this and that they will be very carefull with those who remain

Biden is a pansy ass.

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and they warned the normal people to get away from the risky areas

afbeelding

You pulled “Israel is a Nazi state” card too fast :joy:

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So i call out a member who wants to deport or cleanes a ethnic people from its home land, i did not call Israel a natzi state i called what the member said and equated it to what happened in germany plus if you look at the countries around ukraine and to the east it was not so long ago that that was happening in my life time.

Israel never stated the intention to do that. Now stop trolling here :man_facepalming:

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No the reply was to lukas

My answer is the same…

You are talking bllsht
So please stop that and act like you can think about the story

Oh dear don’t like the truth. So end of discussion.