Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

difficult to say, I saw the second channel of Ukrainian TV on Elliot and Tessa telly (realm22) and some words they were saying sounds as they can be from Ukraine and what with their internet in case of military conflict?; in general I think that full-scale invade is rather impossible although who knows…

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That’s a personal assumption, and it was going fine until someone touched a nerve about Russia, and shouldn’t his opinion be respected as such?

Yes, it’s a little crass and insensitive but are you really going to react like that? I thought you were better than that in representing a company as all through this thread, people have respected themselves and were having a respectful conversation until that post - strange and disappointing. :expressionless:

I think he didn’t really understand one thing. He personally can think what he wants. But with a VHTV employee account you should write differently.

Sounds simple but what about the Ukrainians who don’t live in Kyiv and what to remain Ukrainians?
My friend Maria who lives and works here in Poland comes from the Zaporizhia Oblast region which is the central Eastern part of Ukraine which is strongly pro-west. so why should they give up their nationality to become part of the Russian Federation?
I am afraid it is a lot more complicated than it seems from the outside looking in. :frowning:

Absolutely, and there is no animosity towards VHTV, just respectful feedback. We all let our emotions run away with us and I have been guilty of that many times, but I would try my damn hardest not to if representing my own company.

Not initially they won’t. This is because Putin has built up impressive gold reserves.

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If that referendum was administered by Russia the result can be discounted.

You’re right. I deleted the messages. I was definitely wrong. My apologies. As we have no choice about the decisions our government makes in the USA, the Russian people have even less of a voice. Ending up in a prison cell next to Navalny is not ideal.

What’s up? You might have misunderstood me, but if further clarification needed, I can represent company position that politics topics never lead to anything good as people get triggered. That’s our nature.

There’s no topic for professional image of the company here, as it insults nobody and I truly believe my comment touches nobody, unless you may be believing otherwise and expect politics conversations to be always civil and unite. That’s impossible and that’s the reason many public spaces prohibit politics discussions. We don’t, as you can see, and I believe we as community can handle that going forward.

So you said Zaporizhia Oblast region is strongly pro-west, so they remain with the western half of Ukraine that wants to join EU, very simple.

The morbid part of current reality is the people don’t get to decide. If there’s consent needed for government to act, it’s just more cost efficient for government to f___e them sign the act or pay them to do it.

At the end, if one’s “pro-west”, I think it’s better for them to “flee” the the west they want to, instead of waiting for someone to decide their fate. I know it sounds easy when we talk about it. Minority can do it. Even the lesser amount of people will actually do it.

So what you are saying is that the tiny regions of Donetsk and Luhansk should just be given up to Russia?

But why should Ukraine give up its territories which it fought so hard to get over the years and deservedly so?

You were talking about a half, which is a whole different area in size. :slight_smile:
Maybe you should look at the map my friend, as Ukraine is a massive country. :slight_smile:

I disagree, Russia wouldn’t have annexed Crimea without strong support from local population there. Why Russia didn’t annex Finland ? Because there is no support from finish population and a very tiny Russian speaking population there.

I remember few years ago , I met someone here in Canada who is Ukrainian citizen but he said he identify as a Russian and doesn’t want to be called ukrainian and that was before 2014 events. So there is a significant part of Ukrainian population who feel connected to Russia.

Very true, but what will they flee to?

I know of at least one family there who said they would have nothing if they left their home, which they have spent decades investing in, and would instead take the chance and stay than lose everything they have worked for all their lives. I really feel for those sorts of people, and I hope and pray it doesn’t come to any choice that they have to make.

Isn’t there an exaggeration of expected numbers there? I mean to say, with respect, one example doesn’t decide a significant number. :slight_smile:

If 2 nations don’t get along together in the same country, then the solution is to divide the country instead of a civil war. United nation voted in 1947 for Palestine partition in a jewish and arab state because arabs and jews didn’t get along together there.
Cyprus was also divided because Turks and Greeks don’t get along together.
India was partioned in 1947 because Hindus and muslims didn’t get along together, so indian muslims wanted their own country which is nowadays Pakistan.

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And look at the mess there :frowning:

And look at the mess there with constant problems between the two countries.

The population of the Donetsk region = 918,536
The population of the Luhansk region = 2.136 million

The total population of Ukraine minus these regions is 41 million who want to remain Ukrainian and are proud of their nation.

I am sorry my friend but there bad examples of this throughout history and I live in one of them, Poland, which was given to the former Soviet Union to appease Stalin at the Yalta agreement and lived under occupation and oppression for 48 years. :frowning:

Half of polish territory was originally a German territory that was given to them as a gift part of Yalta agreement, so that agreement wasn’t that bad for Poles.

And they lost a part of Poland to Ukraine as well and the lands you are talking about that you say were lost to Germany were part of a historic Poland at one time. Historical Maps of Poland