Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

As yes, perhaps i didn’t phrase it that well, sorry @kaya :hugs:

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I stand with Ukraine…

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Such gifts are sent to the invaders every day to make them realize that they have nowhere to hide from their big brother ZSU

Rest in Pieces …
what an unnecessary waste of human life

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I always here the argument that religion is the main cause of conflicts in the world. Russians and Ukrainians have the same religion so why are they k__ling each other. There was a lot of fear-mongering in Europe by far right regarding the threat of muslim invasion but they are getting invaded and attacked by Russia which is ironically a christian country

you forgot the second main cause that still exists: greed

almost every war can be traced back to these two reasons
the third or half cause is perhaps revenge… but this is usually a result of greed or religion and in my eyes not an independent cause

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Russia has a huge territory extending all the way to the pacific, why would they be greedy about a tiny piece of land in Eastern Ukraine compared to what they have.

Because Putin wants to put the USSR back together. So he thinks he owns all the old countries west of current Russia.

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to put it very, very simply: the “tiny piece of Ukraine” is the industrial center with raw materials, coal and steel construction. the ‘rest’ are wheat fields. in addition, Ukraine ‘blocks’ the way to the Black Sea and the Russian fleet. both are essential for the ambitions of becoming a world power again… even if the Russian fleet has shrunk a little in the meantime. but that is certainly not what Putin had imagined

Also resentment. Hitler had this as a main reason too.

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50% of the black sea fleet are already conducting special operations at the bottom of the sea :joy::joy::see_no_evil:

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So why not re-annex Georgia and then Russia will get more access to the Black sea. Since it’s further away from European union none would care.

because the government there is already seemingly subservient to Moscow (or well on its way to becoming so) … like Belarus. Otherwise there would not be this pro-Russian “anti-foreign influence law” against which there have been such massive demonstrations in recent weeks

so why conquer something that secretly already belongs to you… even if it doesn’t look like it from the name

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Do you mean like the Russia Friendly governement of Ukraine before 2014?

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yes. the loss of Russian influence since then is definitely not a reason for Putin to be happy… and has massively disrupted the dreams of a new Greater Russia. and we are now seeing the result of this

So would you prefer a Russian leader like Gorbachev who is willing to give up Russian controlled territories to keep the peace ?

I am a freedom/peace-loving person. I would like to see a Russia in which people can live as they want. And not a warmongering elite at the top that throws people away like dirt. You don’t need a Gorbachev or a splitting of the country for that.
As far as I’m concerned, Russia can, under these conditions, become as big as it was during the Soviet Union… if all the former Soviet states were to join together to form an VOLUNTARY alliance similar to the EU, for example.

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It has already happened lol

For that you have to know how to seduce, not impose…and they are not intelligent enough to achieve that.

With the current government, this is by no means feasible, that’s clear… and even with the successors it will be difficult as long as they come from the current structure.

but one can always dream…