Discussion about Hamas attack on Israel and conflict (Operation Iron Sword)

A very good analysis

What will happen in the Middle East. The phases will be like this:

  • bombing of Gaza to eliminate as much as possible Hamas infrastructure
  • ground attack from north to south in Gaza. Already Israel has given the civilians 24 hours to clear the northern half of Gaza. The objective seems clea : send as many civilians as possible to Egypt in the south, and total control over Gaza in the future. I don’t think Israel will accept Gaza to be Palestinian in the future.
  • In parallel - airstrikes for now on Syria (they have already destroyed the airports there) and Lebanon. The most plausible objective - cleaning both countries from radical extremists but also from Iranian and Russian involvement there.
  • After the ground attack starts - it is very possible that Iran will declare war on Israel. And violent jihad among the millions of Muslim immigrants in the West. That’s why we’re already seeing two important steps: US moved 2 aircraft carriers together with strike groups plus UK ships to the Gulf; Germany and France banned pro-Hamas demonstrations. The idea is to calm Iran not to intervene - the message is if you intervene you will be attacked by Israel and US/UK ships. Let’s see if that holds, I have my doubts.
  • Russia has clearly positioned itself as pro-Hamas, Iran and Syria and anti-Israel. Zelensky will go to Israel now. We may see (and I hope it happens) a much stronger coordination between aid to Israel and to Ukraine (the problem here is the chaos in the US congress now).
    There’s more. If you’re in the position of Putin, the Ayatollah and Xi. How would you think about the problem? Probably like this:
  • The timing is good - the US is divided, they can’t make clear decisions, the Democrats are soft and the Maga are with us. Perfect. That’s why they let Hamas attack
  • Will the west face the front on Ukraine + middle east + on Taiwan + on Serbia Kosovo + on Islamic terrorist attacks on their home + huge waves of Muslim immigrants IN PARALLEL ? Probably not, unless they mobilize maximum military: but they may not be able to decide that. The test will be with Iran - do they have the guts to shoot Iran? If not - launch everything in parallel urgently.

We are entering a CRITICAL period for our safety and our future. It’s probably the most dangerous time in the last enormous number of years (similar to the period before ww2)

This is very important. In fact, the biggest problem with what is happening now.

What is happening now is a consequence of the past.

Off course that Israel has the right to defend itself, nobody denies that fact.

That’s exactly what they did and still doing.

they have weapons too. there are so many weapons in Gaza that you wouldn’t believe.

The weapons are in hands of Hamas and other terrorist groups ( Islamic jihad and etc … ). we are talking about civilians who are not armed not the terrorist militia.

For the same reason you do not see protest in Israel about their bombing of gazza by the Palestinian residents

The past is the reason why all this is happening. Nothing can justify what hamas did it was pure evil and cowardly innocent civilians are not to blame and do not deserve to get k__led and taken hostage but Israel is now doing the same thing but even worse not only now but for the last 75 years they have been oppressing Palestinians. The past is very important not to justify but to understand

Same can be said of Israelis speaking out about the land grab and f___ed removal of Palestinians from their homes.

if you really believe that then I got news for you.

You are really saying Israels actions are worse than the doing of the Hamas rats? :open_mouth::open_mouth:

To ensure the safety of its citizens and to have any possibility of peace in the future,Israel has no choice but to completely eradicate Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza. In order to do that they have to move in and invade Gaza, there is no other way to do it. they just have to make sure they are merciful when it comes to civilian population of Gaza. BTW I believe Hamas is the responsible party for b___dshed on both sides on this particular occasion.

Totally agree with your statement. 100%

Judge for yourself.

Not for those with a weak stomach.

I can tell you from experience that we have one of the most moral army’s in the world. I know it doesnt looks like that right now but we do.

Will you also show all the links to what Hamas did?

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Just what I was referring to. World still feels comfortable saying k__ling Israelis is better crime then k__ling Palestinians. But of course just say both is bad and you are nice person again!

Fully agree. Double standards are used here.

To paraphrase you, I can only be a good person if I say that k__ling innocent Palestinians is cool?

I prefer to remain a bad person by condemning both sides.

No, to remain a good person you can’t say some deaths are better. Or maybe you have an explanation why it’s worse?:thinking:

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What Kaya means is that the majority of this topic is about the “bad Isrealis” who did not k__l civillians on purpose and not about the Hamas agressors who exactly did that in the most cruel ways you can think of.

This is a bit surprising and I fully agree with her comment.