Why would it hurt as a business? Many are not subscribing because the price is too high for the quality of the content. Also, right now, the viewers have no way to show which apartments they are really paying for. Most of their money to the card playing tesers. As a results, their favorites leave and the business lose subscribers. It s not normal that the site went from 14M visitors per month from feb 2022 to 7M while RLC increased from 14M to 15M (and it s not like they have super great product).
So there’s no other solution to the copy/paste shitty shows apartments (which, like you very rightly said, are way much more and worse than what Flora’s done), other than not watching them and let them close as fast as they appeared. More than likely ( giving the history) quite fast after the “new” factor is gone and the rents/ participants payments bring them back to the reality
only the ones who actually care.
i wont hide that it hurts me deeply to like a geniune apartment and trying to support it, and seeing it leave cause the teasing circus takes all the pie.
but who is to blame in this scenario? the circus who fills their pocket or the ignorant and weak viewer who do not learn 
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oh god the forum is also in trouble
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Man, how can people learn when from the start the “business” is very misleading advertised ? Majority of people don’t read this forum, they have no idea what they’re watching. They simply see naked girls and sex. The rest is for few of us here who know more about it
cause think like this
example 10$ you choose 5 apartments, eveyone will choose this package and will choose the places that is the most action and most parties. in that case
places like Hector/Zack/Clara/Gella/Rachel/ etc will not generate anything and will imidiately leaveso from a stand point of advertising 51 apartment you will end up marketing wise 15 apartments. so not smart strategy.
Would they have more responsibility than CB for example?
yeah eventually is a scam, money grab from the boss. unless by some miracle they manage magically bring a new circle of friends and become sucdesfull but history shows that this is unlikely. its a piramid scheme that only a manager will benefit.while the viewer curses them 
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10$ would be too low, 20-25$ would make sense. As for the apartments you named, if they have no fans, from business stand point, what s the point of keeping them?
And no amount of bickering/whinging or moaning about is going to make not one bit of a difference , vhtv use the priciples that work for them
i do not know the legality ofeach party or the country of origin for both parties, but by following vhtv for 6 years and see how they are afraid of facing the responsibility of what happens in the appartments i would say definetely yes.
marketing/diversity.etc
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I think changes can happen if members are encouraged to express their opinion. In here, everytime a discussion about a change is brought out, some of our LEADERS, TRUST LEVEL 4, VETERANS to look up to come in the topic and shut it down saying well vhtv would have done something about it if it was a issue.
hehe no one disagrees with this, we just chating like old pall Rob, (whom i have not seen in long time around )
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Definitely not. CB is actually a very stricly regulated site with a huge number of visitors. But the “scamming” is very present there as well, a lot more than here. All the studios from a very well known country (might be the same as the one where the participants and managers here are located/originated) are scamming and scamming and…scamming. The difference is that over there you only pay when you want to if you want to directly to one room/model. There is also somethine else, a system which will be very helpful here: the ratings of the apartments/models. That actually works wonders over there. Before you tipping a model, if she has low ratings, a red warning apears telling you that you’re about to spend your money on a room with a very low rating. Proven that works system. Will also work very well here. Oh, the ratings are made only by the people who actually pay into that room.
Off course it is s scam. Notthing more or less
yes, why does vhtv have managers? Why not do business with participants directly like CB for example?
Simple answer: the law. They don’t want any responsibilty for any shit happening here…
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in 8 years of vhtv they havent changed very much , virtually the same template as of day 1 , and the TL4 members have been around virtually from day 1 and know what the owners will listen to as they have seen all the answers , remembermost of the tl4members came over from a different vouyer forum as this forum only started in 2021 ,but they have been involved in this along time and have seen all these type of debates numerous times and never as the owners acted upon anything suggested in a forum
oh he still visits , but peeps over the wall holding is breath . 
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