What do you mean? RLC’s time is extremely accurate. It shows when something / someone were moving on that camera. VHTV’s timeline is completely useless. You have a better time guessing. Try to find out when someone took showers here:
With a blue line based on motion, you can instantly see it:
Yes I agree with your point, though I can’t call it useless, it’s just far from ideal. As we all know, this data doesn’t rely on activity metrics, but we may consider adding these to graph’s formula and it will be better at representing actual activity both on detection + views.
What I dislike about the RLC example is that there are totally blank spaces at the graph. The use-case is different though and if it works good for users - that’s great. We definitely have a lot to learn from each other there.
The algorithm needs improvements that’s for sure. The scenario you described may be related to the fact that there were less views on other time-periods than views on the period when there was nothing happening. Maybe the particular camera wasn’t popular during 24h period and a couple of dozens users visiting it for some reason may trigger it to spike. We will definitely take a deeper look into this in the future, in attempt to improve graphs.
You can’t spread the minutes out on the RLC one though . With the VHTV timeline you can do that (using the plus button on the end of the timeline), along with the small preview image that SOMETIMES appears alongside each minute dot.
Why is it a negative thing that there are blank spaces? If there was no activity there, shouldn’t the space be blank then? To represent the activity. That’s the only way you can show when there actually was people on this camera. Viewership is of little to no interest for other users in this case, because it is so unreliable. A timeline based 100% on motion would definitely be the most user friendly.
Then slightly off-topic: Yes, I agree. You can both learn from each other. For example, I love that you can zoom in on the timeline on VHTV. That is very helpful. However. In return RLC has only 30s between nodes on the timeline (where you have 1m), and that makes it easier when you are looking for specific moments.
If it could be important for further “investigations” of the issue and try some how to fix it, i can try to see if i see some moments like that and place here the timeline links
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Your help will be much appreciated, @Sparkles, thanks.
The negative thing is just a UI of the graph, 80% of which is blank. Maybe it’s just me, and, as I said, if it works - they’d better keep it this way.
I can’t agree with you on that. Is it reliable enough? I believe so. It works, and it needs improvements.
We don’t plan to introduce motion-only timeline. My opinion is, again, that the best way to improve it is to either combine activity + views data, or wait and see if views data graph improves its reliability as soon as we release motion detection (a.k.a. activity) notification badges.
We will agree to disagree then. To me, the timeline as it is now tells me almost nothing about where there was activity. Because there is almost more noice than there is data. Someone s___ping during primetimes can get higher views (and activity indication) than someone having sex during slower periods of the day. Motion detection would be far surperior. If you don’t believe it, and if anyone still think that the timeline at VHTV is somewhat decent, I advice you to sign up at RLC and check it out. I swear to you, it’s like night and day!
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RLC one is very difficult to select in terms of specific minutes though. The VHTV one allows us to select specific minutes. Mind you, I don’t like the fact that we have to go to the exact minute BEFORE the action we want to see, in order to see it.
RLC graph is better because blank spaces shows a empty room and when someone is in the room the blue spikes shows someone was doing something. Which for me is what i want from the timeline and easier to see action. I don’t want to spent hours looking at full colored spikes to find anything that interests me.
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It seems to me all the ideas is what you bosses want and not want the customer wants perhaps a poll or something to see what people will want and find easier from the graph. Maybe put your ideas of what it might look like to see if it interests people
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@VHTV_James would it be an idea for a couple of check boxes so that you can activate or deactivate either the motion timeline or the viewers timeline that way the consumer can follow which they think is better.
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That’s what I thought, yes. I guess that’s may be a plan.
Exactly! You just managed to put it into simpler words than me. 
A poll may not show the full picture though. Many users who are only familiar with this VHTV-timeline will vote to keep it as it is. When they actually get the motion detector technology, I say try it out! For a month or so. Then have a poll whether to switch it back or not. You’ll see, no one would want to go back then. It’s that surperior.
@VHTV_James just a small example about the timeline movements with high peeks for some time with the house totally empty for more then 24H at that time
Now by curiosity, why this timeline are totally different concerning to the bars, looks like they don’t start at same level
Cams from living room from Realm 89
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As another example (realm 21 bedroom cams)
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Another (Guest Bedroom Realm 84)
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Cam 17
This is a “problem” when searching for “action” on timeline, the differences (realm 59, bedroom cams)
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Cam 7
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