# Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** All the other stuff\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134 "2022-01-26T16:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 296
**Author:** ![iain](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/iain/32/237011_2.png) [@iain](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/iain)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6013 "2022-11-15T22:48:27Z")
@Sparky. Again you make some very valid points which are rational. Another question is what will Viktor Orban do now along with Recep Erdogan say or do. ---
**Author:** ![robwin](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/robwin/32/287497_2.png) [@robwin](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/robwin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6014 "2022-11-15T22:48:45Z")
> [@sparky](#): > > You said ‘powder keg’, well I really hope it doesn’t come to that. I don’t think anyone in Europe and elsewhere wants dragged into this but (like it or not) Article 5 is there for a good reason. I also think good sense will prevail because why would anyone in their right mind want the alternative? It certainly is a very interesting conundrum as if NATO do nothing it will sort of make a mockery out of the whole organisation. I would not dare to contemplate what will happen now to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![iain](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/iain/32/237011_2.png) [@iain](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/iain)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6015 "2022-11-15T22:52:52Z")
From Sky News ## Poland ‘set to trigger NATO’s Article 4’ NATO ambassadors will meet tomorrow at the request of Poland on basis of the alliance’s Article 4, two European diplomats have told Reuters news agency. According to Article 4 of the alliance’s founding treaty, members can raise any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country. One of the diplomats said NATO would act cautiously and needed time to verify how exactly the incident happened. If this is the case, it would confirm the consensus among a number of experts (see 20.04 post) who suggested it was unlikely that the alliance would opt to invoke of Article 5 - which would likely involve a direct retaliatory military strike on Russia, and a major escalation and widening of the conflict. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6016 "2022-11-15T23:25:57Z")
@iain Thank you. Viktor Orban will probably remain quiet for now while he waits on the sidelines to see what NATO decides. As for Erdoğan, he is in a very different position and a very awkward one too. It will be very difficult for him as Turkey is a member of NATO. He is caught between NATO and Russia now. I think he will probably call for more peace talks and state they are needed more now than at any stage regardless of the Polish outcome. # Pentagon Update [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/fRVANc2gZ_E/maxresdefault.jpg "US investigating reports of Russian missiles crossing into Poland") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVANc2gZ_E) # BELOW - The latest tonight # Claims of Russian missile strike on Poland trigger NATO emergency talks [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GWhao1gUXp0/hqdefault.jpg "Claims of Russian missile strike on Poland trigger NATO emergency talks - BBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWhao1gUXp0) # 4 reasons Israel is not sending IronDome to Ukraine [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/C9OVvZqeL0Y/maxresdefault.jpg "4 reasons #Israel is not sending #IronDome to #Ukraine !") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9OVvZqeL0Y) ---
**Author:** ![John78](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/john78/32/326498_2.png) [@John78](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/John78)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6017 "2022-11-16T00:00:55Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/NdgYEfqMmMI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Heisenberg](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/heisenberg/32/543387_2.png) [@Heisenberg](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Heisenberg)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6018 "2022-11-16T01:02:00Z")
Yes, you are right Erdogan will do it because war between Nato and Russia means world war because in this case, Russia’s allies will not remain silent (especially China & India). But Erdogan’s call for peace would be the most correct. Because a world war would be a disaster, and that applies to all of us. Besides, it would be foolish to underestimate Turkish soldiers no matter what. Because, both in terms of military numbers (some 500 thousand professional personnel and thousands of reserve soldiers and new equipment systems), I mean they are still one of at the forefront of NATO’s important military f\_\_\_es. ---
**Author:** ![John78](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/john78/32/326498_2.png) [@John78](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/John78)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:29am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6019 "2022-11-16T01:29:55Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/GEPd7cOuhyQ?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![John78](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/john78/32/326498_2.png) [@John78](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/John78)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6020 "2022-11-16T01:30:32Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UvSxmCkC5dk?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Bandaids](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/bandaids/32/79483_2.png) [@Bandaids](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Bandaids)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6021 "2022-11-16T01:35:05Z")
I agree, it this point in time that NATO will not attack as they need to gather all the facts first. And then “IF” Article 5 is invoked after and Article 4 they will then determine an appropriate response. That response doesn’t necessarily mean NATO boots on the ground going head to head with Russia. I suspect that it would mean even more and better equipment (than what they would have gotten) to include more ground to air capabilities to take out misses and or aircraft. And of course I’m guessing even more sanctions (what ever they can still sanction). particularly the Oligarchs and family that still support Putin. But I have to say interesting that these missiles take out grain and the dryers that dry the grain. Not saying it was a targeted strike as of course I have no proof. But, it definitely makes me take a hard look at the possibility. Was this a message to Poland for the help have they given the Ukraine and a poke at NATO to see what they can get away with? A rhetorical question. ---
**Author:** ![Handsdown](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/handsdown/32/485182_2.png) [@Handsdown](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Handsdown)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6022 "2022-11-16T06:15:06Z")
Don’t jump to conclusions, guys. The missile parts gathered at the site are from the S-300P anti-missile defense system. Edit: News already coming: _The Associated Press news agency is quoting three US officials as saying a preliminary assessment suggests the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian f\_\_\_es at an incoming Russian missile._ _Earlier on Tuesday President Biden said it was “unlikely” the missile that hit Poland was fired from Russia._ ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6023 "2022-11-16T11:44:44Z")
@ [Handsdown](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Handsdown) it doesn’t have to be fired from Russia. It is Russian made. Now what has to be establish who really did fire it. # Missile that k\_\_led two in Poland needs full investigation [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2lQM8QCC_e8/hqdefault.jpg "'Unlikely' missile that killed two in Poland fired from Russia, Joe Biden says - BBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQM8QCC_e8) ---
**Author:** ![Handsdown](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/handsdown/32/485182_2.png) [@Handsdown](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Handsdown)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6024 "2022-11-16T11:52:17Z")
If it is the S-300, then it was 100% not launched from Russia, it has much too little range. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6025 "2022-11-16T12:32:19Z")
# See how the Russians use the grain they stole from Ukraine in the trenches [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LMqdvsRQhW4/maxresdefault.jpg "Ruslar Ukraynadan oğurladığı taxılı səngərdə görün necə istifadə edirlər") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMqdvsRQhW4) ---
**Author:** ![Shyguy](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/shyguy/32/727969_2.png) [@Shyguy](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Shyguy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6026 "2022-11-16T13:19:28Z")
[https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news\_209104.htm](https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_209104.htm) NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander, General Christopher Cavoli, briefed the meeting of the North Atlantic Council, and Poland’s Ambassador to NATO, Tomasz Szatkowski, updated Allies on the incident and the ongoing investigation. “Since the start of Russia’s illegal war in Ukraine, NATO has increased vigilance across our eastern flank,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said after the meeting. He stated that we need to await the outcome of the ongoing investigation, but “we have no indication that this was the result of a deliberate attack and we have no indication that Russia is preparing offensive military actions against NATO”. He added: “Our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident was likely caused by a Ukrainian air defence missile fired to defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks. But let me clear: this is not Ukraine’s fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine.” Allies made clear that they will continue to support Ukraine in its right to self-defence. They also offered their deepest condolences on the tragic loss of life and expressed their strong solidarity with Poland. “We agreed that we need to stay vigilant, calm and closely coordinated. We will continue to consult and monitor the situation very closely. NATO stands united and we will always do what is necessary to protect and defend all Allies,” Mr Stoltenberg said. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6027 "2022-11-17T01:00:23Z")
# Russian R-149MA1 captured in Kherson [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qsQBGTzj0cY/maxresdefault.jpg "Russian R-149MA1 captured in #Kherson !") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsQBGTzj0cY) ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6028 "2022-11-17T22:33:01Z")
# Back from the brink - Poland missile strike not by Russia [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9IQu6AajTNE/maxresdefault.jpg "Back from the brink - #Poland missile strike not by #Russia !") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IQu6AajTNE) ---
**Author:** ![Bandaids](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/bandaids/32/79483_2.png) [@Bandaids](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Bandaids)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6029 "2022-11-18T20:56:15Z")
[https://barry-gander.medium.com/russias-plunge-into-industrial-and-agricultural-disaster-bbd1075e6a0e](https://barry-gander.medium.com/russias-plunge-into-industrial-and-agricultural-disaster-bbd1075e6a0e) ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6030 "2022-11-19T00:25:36Z")
# New interceptions of Russian non-humans’ conversations: 12-year-old girl r\_\_ed [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TNi6opHNHpI/hqdefault.jpg "New interceptions of russian non-humans’ conversations: 12-year-old girl raped") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNi6opHNHpI) ---
**Author:** ![waldi](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/74df32/32.png) [@waldi](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/waldi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6031 "2022-11-19T16:55:54Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0KiII_2qabk?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![John78](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/john78/32/326498_2.png) [@John78](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/John78)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/6032 "2022-11-19T23:46:37Z")
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