# Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** All the other stuff\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134 "2022-01-26T16:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 240
**Author:** ![Max\_Muster](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Max\_Muster](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Max_Muster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4886 "2022-09-16T21:03:44Z")
What scared me much more was not that they had said F\*\*\*\* U\*\*\*\*\*", I thought they were c\_\_\_dren and if you explained it to them you could get it done. But the tenants reacted to criticism like uneducated c\_\_\_dren and insulted the forum users with “Fuck your M\_\_\_\_r …” So they felt so “strong” that they can insult anything. @VHTV_James do you tolerate such a thing? ---
**Author:** ![iain](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/iain/32/237011_2.png) [@iain](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/iain)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4887 "2022-09-16T21:05:42Z")
An update regarding the Wagner group. # Wagner group: Russian prisoners recruited by mercenaries ‘already captured by Ukrainian f\_\_\_es’ Sources tell MEE that poorly trained and equipped convicts are being captured on the Kherson and Kharkiv fronts ![](https://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/article_page/public/images-story/000_32JG3YM.jpg?itok=_C5dM4Rt) Ukrainian artillerymen fire the 2S7 Pion, a self-propelled 203mm cannon, on the southern frontline of Ukraine (AFP) By [Levent Kemal](https://www.middleeasteye.net/users/levent-kemal) , [Ragip Soylu](https://www.middleeasteye.net/users/ragip-soylu) Published date: 16 September 2022 16:00 UTC | Last update: 4 hours 56 mins ago 1.6kShares ![facebook sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/facebook.svg) ![twitter sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/twitter.svg) ![whatsapp sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/whatsapp.svg) ![messenger sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/messenger.svg) ![email sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/email.svg) ![sharethis sharing button](https://platform-cdn.sharethis.com/img/sharethis.svg) Some of the criminals that the Wagner Group private military company has recruited from [Russian](https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/russia) prisons have already been captured in [Ukraine](https://www.middleeasteye.net/topics/russia-ukraine-war), sources have told Middle East Eye. Wagner, a paramilitary firm employed by Russia’s government to fight in conflicts from Mali to [Syria](https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/syria), has reportedly been recruiting Russian prisoners to fight in Ukraine, to alleviate the troop shortages in Moscow’s ranks. Wagner, an opaque amalgamation of shadowy firms and contractors, is linked to Russian President Vladimir Putin through his close associate Yevgeny Prigozhin. It has allegedly committed a\_\_\_es in Syria, [Libya](https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/libya) and the [Central African Republic](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-sudan-central-african-republic-mercenaries-k__l-hundreds). One [foreign volunteer](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-ukraine-war-mercenaries-helping-Kyiv-fight) fighting for Ukraine, speaking anonymously, told MEE that many Wagner mercenaries have been taken prisoner recently, and about 30 of them were Russians who used to be inmates. > ‘They usually drive these people to the front as bait. We know that 500 to 600 prisoners were brought from Russia in this way in the last months’ > > _- Anonymous source_ ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4888 "2022-09-16T21:16:51Z")
It makes you wonder how @Studio90 recruits these people, and I wouldn’t think it is that far beyond the realms of possibility as in this video. 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4889 "2022-09-16T21:22:01Z")
Obviously, he does as otherwise he wouldn’t throw a tantrum and threaten banning people and he will not answer as many of us have asked him to enter into dialogue with us, but it seems for some reason not to want to. Rather suspicious to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4890 "2022-09-16T21:26:42Z")
I would believe it too. That video made me think on the realm in St. Petersburg which BTW should be renamed as Dumb & Dumber. There was never any luck or grace with it because there was always something f\*cked up about it in one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Muster](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Max\_Muster](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Max_Muster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4891 "2022-09-16T21:33:19Z")
It has very different apartments, also with the type of person in the apartment. In addition, the “problem apartment” is a good 2000km away from the other apartments. Nevertheless, you could say you clarify it or the local sub-manager clarifies it. I got the most likes from Studio90, but I can’t ask him anything because I don’t have permission. Otherwise, I would have asked him for his views. You don’t have to speak out openly against the war (Russians have to say special operation), but you don’t have to be open to it either. _Wasn’t an apartment closed in the beginning because it liked the war?!_ ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4892 "2022-09-16T21:35:59Z")
> [@Max\_Muster](#): > > Wasn’t an apartment closed in the beginning because it liked the war?! That’s what I was wondering, and there is some substance in what you say I think, and if that is true, then this just smacks of hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Daleys](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Daleys](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Daleys)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4893 "2022-09-16T21:41:25Z")
Well i wondering why they got to be removed from the site where Tod and Kellie don’t something is not right about it all. VHTV clearly has changed since a few months ago and is on a rampage of destruction and don’t care who gets hurts. If he has to start banning members because of his own personal problems then something clearly is wrong with him. I’ve known him since back to CC and clearly these last few months he has sung to rock bottom lows. I really don’t like what has happened to him. ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4894 "2022-09-16T21:59:57Z")
I don’t understand him at all as he is so erratic and not consistent in anything he does. From my dealings with him privately, albeit limited, he seemed a rational guy, but as you said, recently he is so reactionary, deleting the feedback forum out of a tantrum and introducing the private member’s forum for 2 or 3 complaining members when the rest of us didn’t want anything like that - bizarre to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4895 "2022-09-16T22:31:29Z")
# How Russian F\_\_\_es Were ‘Deceived’ In Ukraine’s Kharkiv Counteroffensive [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Nd6wKHmrb5U/hqdefault.jpg "How Russian Forces Were 'Deceived' In Ukraine's Kharkiv Counteroffensive") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd6wKHmrb5U) # Putin’s tactical nukes ‘won’t be much use’ in Ukraine [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ORpqeFqGqDU/maxresdefault.jpg "Putin's tactical nukes 'won't be much use' in Ukraine | Michael Clarke") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORpqeFqGqDU) ---
**Author:** ![Shyguy](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/shyguy/32/727969_2.png) [@Shyguy](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Shyguy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4896 "2022-09-16T22:34:31Z")
They are getting even more delusional, saying that they are not fighting an Ukrainian army but fighting a NATO army with some Ukrainians in it [https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1570835842255704064?s=21&t=67UB4oGsDB9W1CxzQRPkmQ](https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1570835842255704064?s=21&t=67UB4oGsDB9W1CxzQRPkmQ) (click link above for video) ![image](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/uploads/default/original/3X/2/2/229d4146204bb5b33a38d19b0775922a9cc8b8a0.jpeg) ![image](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/uploads/default/original/3X/8/e/8ea81de7999f4daf6d6dda7036ca65ca413a933d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4897 "2022-09-16T22:43:11Z")
They are just so funny that group, still they have just been kicked in the arse, so they have to justify it somehow and whip up further hatred in Russia. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Surveillance](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/surveillance/32/9251_2.png) [@Surveillance](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Surveillance)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4898 "2022-09-16T22:43:38Z")
I’ve been away so apologies for coming late to the debate but just to add my 2 cents: I don’t think it’s so much the west has been hoodwinked, I think it’s more a case of Russia’s military hoodwinking Putin as to their actual effectiveness. With the benefit of hindsight, look at 2015 when they merged all three airf\_\_\_e branches together resulting in staffing, logistics and maintenance issues for their airf\_\_\_e, along with high level resignations and redundancies. Add to that the Ukrainians specifically developed a hard counter to what they expected the russians to do in the event of invasion, i.e. control the sky. This involved explicit training and positioning of ground defences etc and was surprisingly effective on anything airborne except for long range cruise attacks which could never replace all out air supremacy. The second part of my reasoning is russian discipline. They have less than the iraqis did when the west withdrew from Iraq. They don’t want to be there, their senior officers don’t want to be there. In fact their senior offices are actually generals instead of career soldiers at Sgt rank or WO etc, who generally inspire and y’know actually lead. Instead of you have old Ivans who would much rather be back behind their bureaus sipping vodka and harassing their secretaries suddenly being thrust into the middle of things and probably overhyped their personal experience before that anyway. For even more justification for the discipline argument; they have no reason to fight or at least to die. Ukrainians do. They did back in WW2 both against their own people and the Nazis. They didn’t in Syria but they were still fairly effective because the enemy was already thinned down and stone aged leading to a pyrrhic victory that gave them false pride in their own strength. What makes it worse is sharing a language with their targets. When the Ukranians cleverly decked russian supply lines it caused more damage to morale than anyone predicted and began this cascade of routing instead of falling back and regrouping. Sorry for the longass post, in short it’s down to Russia’s generals lying about their military’s readiness due to senior government stupidity and policy, because they didn’t want to get shot for telling the truth, that the Russians are losing, I believe their technical abilities and equipment really are quite good. ---
**Author:** ![Shyguy](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/shyguy/32/727969_2.png) [@Shyguy](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Shyguy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4899 "2022-09-16T22:48:55Z")
Yeah this was one of the best excuses they could come up with ![image](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/uploads/default/original/3X/2/3/23720588df9cacdd004757943e1969f33e71d8f6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4900 "2022-09-16T22:52:35Z")
> [@Surveillance](#): > > I believe their technical abilities and equipment really are quite good. They were; Russia has been ploughing vast amounts of money into the military for many years now, and on paper, they had enough weapons to defeat Ukraine, but the trouble is that went they went into mobilisation, they found that a lot of these weapons that were on paper were not there and the majors and generals stole from the military budget for mega-yachts in Cyprus. 😆 😆 > **[Russian military’s corruption quagmire](https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-military-corruption-quagmire/)** > > Bogged down in Ukraine, Russian forces battle the consequences of systemic sleaze. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4901 "2022-09-16T23:05:12Z")
@ [Surveillance](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/Surveillance) I know and I agree with what you said but let me add a little. Russian soldiers are trained differently to most Western f\_\_\_es. The big thing they also lack is using their own initiative. Basically they are given an order, carry it out and stop until they are told what to do next. I think that’s why we’ve seen so much confusion and disorder with them. Many captured Russians have been saying they never really knew what and why they were sent. To echo [ukpolska](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/ukpolska) point, yes on paper but when the time came a lot of what they needed simply wasn’t there. Plus anything that was there was old and outdated compared to what Ukraine’s f\_\_\_es are using. We don’t know what is going on behind the closed doors of the Kremlin but I would be shocked if no heads have rolled. This war has come as a major shock for Putin no matter how he tries to dress it up. Add to that all the sanctions and apparently even now they are taking chips out of dish washers and washing machines in an attempt to keep the wheels of their war machine turning. ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4902 "2022-09-17T01:27:17Z")
# ‘There are no losses’ – the Kremlin propaganda can’t save Putin’s regime from collapsing anymore [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BvdDY8RoXXg/maxresdefault.jpg "'There are no losses' – the Kremlin propaganda can’t save Putin’s regime from collapsing anymore") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvdDY8RoXXg) # How would Russia really look if you break it up into countries today as we seen in the early 90’s. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NC37nAxP8ac/maxresdefault.jpg "What If Russia Broke Up?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC37nAxP8ac) Taking all this into account between the East and here in the West, it is still enough to make me wonder if I am living on the right Planet. ---
**Author:** ![NotSeth](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/notseth/32/324893_2.png) [@NotSeth](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/NotSeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4903 "2022-09-17T03:58:20Z")
You can still PM someone even if the message button isn’t available on their profile. Go to your Messages section. Then go to New Message, then put in the persons username where it says add user. ![image](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/uploads/default/original/3X/e/5/e50c700f47bcc5df7d6dc59e9647359c1abb04d7.png) ---
**Author:** ![anon31605929](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@anon31605929](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/anon31605929)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 7:24am UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4904 "2022-09-17T07:24:09Z")
Not if they have you blocked in settings like you have me 😆 😆 ---
**Author:** ![sparky](https://forum-cdn.spyhub.tv/user_avatar/forum.spyhub.tv/sparky/32/62668_2.png) [@sparky](https://forum.spyhub.tv/u/sparky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134/4905 "2022-09-17T20:22:27Z")
# Russia accused of t\_\_\_\_\_e and m\_\_\_\_r after 450 graves found in east Ukraine [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mfhs5bvdaS8/hqdefault.jpg "Russia accused of torture and murder after 450 graves found in east Ukraine - BBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhs5bvdaS8) [Previous page](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134.md?page=239) [Next page](https://forum.spyhub.tv/t/discussion-about-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/14134.md?page=241)